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Hart, Kimberly (hartkb)
TLTR=Too long to read

And I am LMAO  ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:52 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.

I'll attempt to translate.  ;-)

/After reviewing recent activity!!!
BUMP!!!!
Need I say more?
/
A lot of recent posters have obviously not considered the advice in the "Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list" thread.  BUMP = see http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Tips-on-Posting-questions-to-the-SPSS-list-td5715038.html.

/About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
/
LOA = Leave of Absence

/Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD peeps?
/

ADD = Attention Deficit Disorder.
I haven't worked out what TLTR is yet.

HTH.


Art Kendall wrote

> Please clarify your post.
>       Art Kendall
> Social Research Consultants
>       On 1/17/2013 11:51 PM, David Marso wrote:
>
>
>       After reviewing recent activity!!!
> BUMP!!!!
> Need I say more?
> About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
> Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
> peeps?
> ----
>
> David Marso wrote
>
>
>         Modified from:
> http://word.mvps.org/findhelp/posting.htm
> <Edited 09/12/2012>
> Original in regular font my mods in italic and bold.
> -------
> 1. The first thing to remember is that nobody is paid to answer
> questions in the forums.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Despite the FUBAR economy most
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          have a day job doing something else. Those who answer do so
> because they enjoy it
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         or are incorrigible masochists
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         . If you respect that, and try to make it easy and enjoyable
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         or painful
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          for people to answer you, then all the other tips here will
> seem obvious.
> <SNIP>
>   Please make sure you mention which version of SPSS you are using
> when you put a question (it's often impossible to answer your question
> if you don't). It also helps if you mention which operating system you are using.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         OTOH:  My solutions work for
>
>
>       *
>
>
>          all
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         versions.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         Please do not send people direct emails
>
>
>       *
>
>
>          unless they ask for them: it's very rude. And you probably
> won't get an
> answer: With
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         ??
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         -million users of SPSS out there, no-one would live long
> enough to answer all the emails that would result if each Word user
> sent them just one email in their whole lifetime.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         In fact I would reply with a 5M file of my cat in drag to
> every one of them
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         .
>
> 2.    Please do not send attachments unless we request them. We normally
> do not need an attachment to answer your question:
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         a reasonably concise thorough well thought out
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          description is sufficient.
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         <SNIP>
>
>
>       *
>
>
>
> 3.    Check to see which forum is most relevant to your problem. Read the
> questions and answers, and see if they are on a topic similar to your
> question. It may even be that your question has already been asked and
> answered recently! If you have made an honest effort to find an
> appropriate forum, people will do their best to answer you, even if
> the question is at the edge of the main subject area of the forum.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Well, the only other forum other than the IBM/SPSS forums is
> the SPAM raped google forum (good luck with that.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         4 omitted...(just stuff about not posting to GT 1 forum).
>
> 5.    Say which version of SPSS
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         god forbid PASW snicker...
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          you are using. ..
> <SNIP>
>  see 1.
> EXCEPT "we can't see your screen from here..." and eSPSS and
> InterNeTelepathy are in short supply
>
>  6.   Describe your problem as fully
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         (and concisely -THAT IS
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         NOT
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         PARADOXICAL-)
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          as possible, including where appropriate what you have tried
> so far when attempting to fix it. This is NOT the place to try to be
> brief: that's for Twitter, and this is not Twitter!  Where possible,
> use the terms used within SPSS itself to describe what is happening.
> Describe what you are trying to achieve overall. Sometimes people
> concentrate so hard on a particular way of solving the problem, that
> they don't notice that they are using a hammer to drive screws into
> the wall!
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         In other words:  Please take at least as much time formulating
> and posting as you expect others to take to resolve your issue.  My
> personal limit on time commitment is about 3-5 minutes!!  If it is
> going to take me longer then it will take you hours and you should pay
> me my 70 per hour rate for my consulting time.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         .
>
> 7.    Make the message subject heading descriptive of the question. Saying
> “SPSS problem” or “Help!!!” isn't going to catch the eye of somebody
> who might know the answer. “
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Can't install RCI device in ether orifice
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         ” or “
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Error message when running GLM with
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         500
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         variables”
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         is much more informative and useful.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         In fact I purposely ignore these types of questions even if I
> know the answer.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>
> 8.    Use your real name, or at least something that looks like a real
> name. It makes us feel a little stupid to start a reply by saying "Hi
> MadDog". The forums will automatically anonymise your email: we cannot
> respond to you by email because we do not have your email address
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         (Sure we do.. Are you paranoid yet?)
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         .
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Unless your name is Black Rock City Hottie then see 8.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>
>  9.   If nobody answers your question, it is probably because nobody knows
> the answer.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Of course we do.  we are just sadists and holding out on you
> because the question is hazier than the brown acid at Woodstock .
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         9b. There is no guarantee that anyone will know the answer,
> though most questions do get answered. There is also no guarantee
> regarding response times – an answer will appear when somebody who
> knows the answer chances to read the question. Putting “URGENT” into a
> message header will make no difference as to when that will happen.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Putting URGENT in the header is a great way to be completely
> ignored!
>
>
>       /
>
>
>
>  10.    If your English is not very good, don't worry – nobody is going to
> laugh at you
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         (but you will not get an answer in yout mother tongue so you
> had best be able to read English or use Babblefish)
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          . Do your best to explain your problem in English, but also
> include your question in your native language: chances are one of us
> can read it. If we have trouble understanding something, we will ask
> you to explain again
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          (or maybe not).
>
>
>       /
>
>
>
> 10a.    On the other hand, if English is your mother tongue, please try to
> remember to run the spellchecker before posting – and especially, try
> to ensure there are no errors in your subject line. In a long thread,
> especially, these can become irritating for other people.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         ABOVE ALL DON'T SPEAK IN FREAKING IM!!! and don't use all CAPS
> it is considered *SHOUTING* and is really freaking annoying!!!!!!!
>
>
>       /
>
>
>
> 11.    If you have a follow-up question, or a contribution to make to an
> answer post it back to the forum! Many people may be interested in the
> additional information. Also, if the person answering your question is
> not entirely sure about the answer, post back saying whether it worked or not.
> That helps for when the question comes up again. Forums work well
> because everybody can see all the information.
>
> <SNIP MVP /M$ pay to play spiel>
> ------------------------------------------
> AND!!!!
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         DMM1.  Don't hijack previous threads with an OT/different topic.
> There is
> a NEW THREAD option and replying to a "how do I mutilate my data using
> the SPSS ginzu option" with a "My table isn't coming out right" or
> "Python sucks/Macros rule" is bound to bury your question in the
> bowels of something completely irrelevant to your cause and the right
> people won't see it.  Personally I use Nabble to view this group and
> Changed subject lines end up threaded under the original topic.
>
> DMM2.  Don't expect people to do your thinking and your job for you.
> If you have been struggling to solve a problem for days or weeks maybe
> you should hire a competent consultant or find training.  Ultimately
> it may save you money and a lot of hair.  SPSS is a complex program.
> Don't expect t learn it in 2 days (or even 2 years).  I have used it
> for 30 years and still look at the manual occasionally.
>
> DMM3. RTFM (read the fine manual).  Not literally "read", but BROWSE
> it for X's sake to get the lay of the land.
>
> DMM4.  Browse the archives to see if anything remotely similar has
> been asked in say the past 20 years?
> OOPS the archives have been truncated to 1996 so 16 years.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         ------
> ADDED 9/12: After the fact.
>
> DMM5.  If you are attempting to perform some sort of unnatural act
> with strange data please provide some sort of reasonable
> representation of the existing structure of the data and an example of
> what you wish to achieve as a result of the data transformation.
> Rather than attempting to describe the data in human language provide
> an actual snippet or mock up of the relevant fields and their role in the problem.
>
> DMM6.  If in the rare event you should receive a cryptic error message
> or warning from the Oracle of Cthulhu
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos  disguised as coming from
> your SPSS session PLEASE provide the exact error message or warning so
> you at least will have some hope of receiving a reply.
>
> DMM7.  If you are attempting to have people here do your homework you
> would be advised to disguise that fact and not quote the homework
> question verbatim.  Opacity in such matters is critical.
>
> eg Obvious homework question(s):
> 1.  If a variable is distributed normally with mean 0 and SD 1.  What
> is the probability that the mean of 10 numbers drawn from this
> distribution exceeds 1.9645 .
>
> 2. What is the probability the mean of sample size 20 lies between -2
> and 1.98.
>
> PLONK!!!
>
> (opacity added)
> I am new to this list and was wondering how one computed probabilities
> for a normal distribution in SPSS.
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Please reply to the list and not to my personal email.
> Those desiring my consulting or training services please feel free to
> email me.
> --
> View this message in context:
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Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.

David Marso
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This post was updated on .
You and Bruce are becoming WAY TOO GOOD AT THIS!!!
What's LMAO?
--
Hart, Kimberly (hartkb) wrote
TLTR=Too long to read

And I am LMAO  ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:52 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.

I'll attempt to translate.  ;-)

/After reviewing recent activity!!!
BUMP!!!!
Need I say more?
/
A lot of recent posters have obviously not considered the advice in the "Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list" thread.  BUMP = see http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Tips-on-Posting-questions-to-the-SPSS-list-td5715038.html.

/About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
/
LOA = Leave of Absence

/Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD peeps?
/

ADD = Attention Deficit Disorder.
I haven't worked out what TLTR is yet.

HTH.


Art Kendall wrote
> Please clarify your post.
>       Art Kendall
> Social Research Consultants
>       On 1/17/2013 11:51 PM, David Marso wrote:
>
>
>       After reviewing recent activity!!!
> BUMP!!!!
> Need I say more?
> About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
> Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
> peeps?
> ----
>
> David Marso wrote
>
>
>         Modified from:
> http://word.mvps.org/findhelp/posting.htm
> <Edited 09/12/2012>
> Original in regular font my mods in italic and bold.
> -------
> 1. The first thing to remember is that nobody is paid to answer
> questions in the forums.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Despite the FUBAR economy most
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          have a day job doing something else. Those who answer do so
> because they enjoy it
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         or are incorrigible masochists
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         . If you respect that, and try to make it easy and enjoyable
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         or painful
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          for people to answer you, then all the other tips here will
> seem obvious.
> <SNIP>
>   Please make sure you mention which version of SPSS you are using
> when you put a question (it's often impossible to answer your question
> if you don't). It also helps if you mention which operating system you are using.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         OTOH:  My solutions work for
>
>
>       *
>
>
>          all
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         versions.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         Please do not send people direct emails
>
>
>       *
>
>
>          unless they ask for them: it's very rude. And you probably
> won't get an
> answer: With
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         ??
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         -million users of SPSS out there, no-one would live long
> enough to answer all the emails that would result if each Word user
> sent them just one email in their whole lifetime.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         In fact I would reply with a 5M file of my cat in drag to
> every one of them
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         .
>
> 2.    Please do not send attachments unless we request them. We normally
> do not need an attachment to answer your question:
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         a reasonably concise thorough well thought out
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          description is sufficient.
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         <SNIP>
>
>
>       *
>
>
>
> 3.    Check to see which forum is most relevant to your problem. Read the
> questions and answers, and see if they are on a topic similar to your
> question. It may even be that your question has already been asked and
> answered recently! If you have made an honest effort to find an
> appropriate forum, people will do their best to answer you, even if
> the question is at the edge of the main subject area of the forum.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Well, the only other forum other than the IBM/SPSS forums is
> the SPAM raped google forum (good luck with that.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         4 omitted...(just stuff about not posting to GT 1 forum).
>
> 5.    Say which version of SPSS
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         god forbid PASW snicker...
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          you are using. ..
> <SNIP>
>  see 1.
> EXCEPT "we can't see your screen from here..." and eSPSS and
> InterNeTelepathy are in short supply
>
>  6.   Describe your problem as fully
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         (and concisely -THAT IS
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         NOT
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         PARADOXICAL-)
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          as possible, including where appropriate what you have tried
> so far when attempting to fix it. This is NOT the place to try to be
> brief: that's for Twitter, and this is not Twitter!  Where possible,
> use the terms used within SPSS itself to describe what is happening.
> Describe what you are trying to achieve overall. Sometimes people
> concentrate so hard on a particular way of solving the problem, that
> they don't notice that they are using a hammer to drive screws into
> the wall!
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         In other words:  Please take at least as much time formulating
> and posting as you expect others to take to resolve your issue.  My
> personal limit on time commitment is about 3-5 minutes!!  If it is
> going to take me longer then it will take you hours and you should pay
> me my 70 per hour rate for my consulting time.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         .
>
> 7.    Make the message subject heading descriptive of the question. Saying
> “SPSS problem” or “Help!!!” isn't going to catch the eye of somebody
> who might know the answer. “
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Can't install RCI device in ether orifice
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         ” or “
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Error message when running GLM with
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         500
>
>
>       *
>
>
>         variables”
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         is much more informative and useful.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         In fact I purposely ignore these types of questions even if I
> know the answer.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>
> 8.    Use your real name, or at least something that looks like a real
> name. It makes us feel a little stupid to start a reply by saying "Hi
> MadDog". The forums will automatically anonymise your email: we cannot
> respond to you by email because we do not have your email address
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         (Sure we do.. Are you paranoid yet?)
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         .
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Unless your name is Black Rock City Hottie then see 8.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>
>  9.   If nobody answers your question, it is probably because nobody knows
> the answer.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Of course we do.  we are just sadists and holding out on you
> because the question is hazier than the brown acid at Woodstock .
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         9b. There is no guarantee that anyone will know the answer,
> though most questions do get answered. There is also no guarantee
> regarding response times – an answer will appear when somebody who
> knows the answer chances to read the question. Putting “URGENT” into a
> message header will make no difference as to when that will happen.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         Putting URGENT in the header is a great way to be completely
> ignored!
>
>
>       /
>
>
>
>  10.    If your English is not very good, don't worry – nobody is going to
> laugh at you
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         (but you will not get an answer in yout mother tongue so you
> had best be able to read English or use Babblefish)
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          . Do your best to explain your problem in English, but also
> include your question in your native language: chances are one of us
> can read it. If we have trouble understanding something, we will ask
> you to explain again
>
>
>       /
>
>
>          (or maybe not).
>
>
>       /
>
>
>
> 10a.    On the other hand, if English is your mother tongue, please try to
> remember to run the spellchecker before posting – and especially, try
> to ensure there are no errors in your subject line. In a long thread,
> especially, these can become irritating for other people.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         ABOVE ALL DON'T SPEAK IN FREAKING IM!!! and don't use all CAPS
> it is considered *SHOUTING* and is really freaking annoying!!!!!!!
>
>
>       /
>
>
>
> 11.    If you have a follow-up question, or a contribution to make to an
> answer post it back to the forum! Many people may be interested in the
> additional information. Also, if the person answering your question is
> not entirely sure about the answer, post back saying whether it worked or not.
> That helps for when the question comes up again. Forums work well
> because everybody can see all the information.
>
> <SNIP MVP /M$ pay to play spiel>
> ------------------------------------------
> AND!!!!
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         DMM1.  Don't hijack previous threads with an OT/different topic.
> There is
> a NEW THREAD option and replying to a "how do I mutilate my data using
> the SPSS ginzu option" with a "My table isn't coming out right" or
> "Python sucks/Macros rule" is bound to bury your question in the
> bowels of something completely irrelevant to your cause and the right
> people won't see it.  Personally I use Nabble to view this group and
> Changed subject lines end up threaded under the original topic.
>
> DMM2.  Don't expect people to do your thinking and your job for you.
> If you have been struggling to solve a problem for days or weeks maybe
> you should hire a competent consultant or find training.  Ultimately
> it may save you money and a lot of hair.  SPSS is a complex program.
> Don't expect t learn it in 2 days (or even 2 years).  I have used it
> for 30 years and still look at the manual occasionally.
>
> DMM3. RTFM (read the fine manual).  Not literally "read", but BROWSE
> it for X's sake to get the lay of the land.
>
> DMM4.  Browse the archives to see if anything remotely similar has
> been asked in say the past 20 years?
> OOPS the archives have been truncated to 1996 so 16 years.
>
>
>       /
>
>
>         ------
> ADDED 9/12: After the fact.
>
> DMM5.  If you are attempting to perform some sort of unnatural act
> with strange data please provide some sort of reasonable
> representation of the existing structure of the data and an example of
> what you wish to achieve as a result of the data transformation.
> Rather than attempting to describe the data in human language provide
> an actual snippet or mock up of the relevant fields and their role in the problem.
>
> DMM6.  If in the rare event you should receive a cryptic error message
> or warning from the Oracle of Cthulhu
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos  disguised as coming from
> your SPSS session PLEASE provide the exact error message or warning so
> you at least will have some hope of receiving a reply.
>
> DMM7.  If you are attempting to have people here do your homework you
> would be advised to disguise that fact and not quote the homework
> question verbatim.  Opacity in such matters is critical.
>
> eg Obvious homework question(s):
> 1.  If a variable is distributed normally with mean 0 and SD 1.  What
> is the probability that the mean of 10 numbers drawn from this
> distribution exceeds 1.9645 .
>
> 2. What is the probability the mean of sample size 20 lies between -2
> and 1.98.
>
> PLONK!!!
>
> (opacity added)
> I am new to this list and was wondering how one computed probabilities
> for a normal distribution in SPSS.
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hart, Kimberly (hartkb)
Why, laughing my a** off of course! Statistics and programming should not be so much fun... ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Marso
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 2:26 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.

You and Bruce are becoming WAY TO GOOD AT THIS!!!
What's LMAO?
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Hart, Kimberly (hartkb) wrote
> TLTR=Too long to read
>
> And I am LMAO  ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> ] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:52 AM
> To:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.
>
> I'll attempt to translate.  ;-)
>
> /After reviewing recent activity!!!
> BUMP!!!!
> Need I say more?
> /
> A lot of recent posters have obviously not considered the advice in
> the "Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list" thread.  BUMP = see
> http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Tips-on-Posting-questions-to-the-SPSS-list-td5715038.html.
>
> /About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
> /
> LOA = Leave of Absence
>
> /Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
> peeps?
> /
>
> ADD = Attention Deficit Disorder.
> I haven't worked out what TLTR is yet.
>
> HTH.
>
>
> Art Kendall wrote
>> Please clarify your post.
>>       Art Kendall
>> Social Research Consultants
>>       On 1/17/2013 11:51 PM, David Marso wrote:
>>
>>
>>       After reviewing recent activity!!!
>> BUMP!!!!
>> Need I say more?
>> About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
>> Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
>> peeps?
>> ----
>>
>> David Marso wrote
>>
>>
>>         Modified from:
>> http://word.mvps.org/findhelp/posting.htm
>> &lt;Edited 09/12/2012&gt;
>> Original in regular font my mods in italic and bold.
>> -------
>> 1. The first thing to remember is that nobody is paid to answer
>> questions in the forums.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Despite the FUBAR economy most
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          have a day job doing something else. Those who answer do so
>> because they enjoy it
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         or are incorrigible masochists
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         . If you respect that, and try to make it easy and enjoyable
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         or painful
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          for people to answer you, then all the other tips here will
>> seem obvious.
>> &lt;SNIP&gt;
>>   Please make sure you mention which version of SPSS you are using
>> when you put a question (it's often impossible to answer your
>> question if you don't). It also helps if you mention which operating
>> system you are using.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         OTOH:  My solutions work for
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>          all
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         versions.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         Please do not send people direct emails
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>          unless they ask for them: it's very rude. And you probably
>> won't get an
>> answer: With
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         ??
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         -million users of SPSS out there, no-one would live long
>> enough to answer all the emails that would result if each Word user
>> sent them just one email in their whole lifetime.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         In fact I would reply with a 5M file of my cat in drag to
>> every one of them
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         .
>>
>> 2.    Please do not send attachments unless we request them. We normally
>> do not need an attachment to answer your question:
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         a reasonably concise thorough well thought out
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          description is sufficient.
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         &lt;SNIP&gt;
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>
>> 3.    Check to see which forum is most relevant to your problem. Read the
>> questions and answers, and see if they are on a topic similar to your
>> question. It may even be that your question has already been asked
>> and answered recently! If you have made an honest effort to find an
>> appropriate forum, people will do their best to answer you, even if
>> the question is at the edge of the main subject area of the forum.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Well, the only other forum other than the IBM/SPSS forums is
>> the SPAM raped google forum (good luck with that.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         4 omitted...(just stuff about not posting to GT 1 forum).
>>
>> 5.    Say which version of SPSS
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         god forbid PASW snicker...
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          you are using. ..
>> &lt;SNIP&gt;
>>  see 1.
>> EXCEPT "we can't see your screen from here..." and eSPSS and
>> InterNeTelepathy are in short supply
>>
>>  6.   Describe your problem as fully
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         (and concisely -THAT IS
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         NOT
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         PARADOXICAL-)
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          as possible, including where appropriate what you have tried
>> so far when attempting to fix it. This is NOT the place to try to be
>> brief: that's for Twitter, and this is not Twitter!  Where possible,
>> use the terms used within SPSS itself to describe what is happening.
>> Describe what you are trying to achieve overall. Sometimes people
>> concentrate so hard on a particular way of solving the problem, that
>> they don't notice that they are using a hammer to drive screws into
>> the wall!
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         In other words:  Please take at least as much time
>> formulating and posting as you expect others to take to resolve your
>> issue.  My personal limit on time commitment is about 3-5 minutes!!
>> If it is going to take me longer then it will take you hours and you
>> should pay me my 70 per hour rate for my consulting time.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         .
>>
>> 7.    Make the message subject heading descriptive of the question.
>> Saying
>> “SPSS problem” or “Help!!!” isn't going to catch the eye of somebody
>> who might know the answer. “
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Can't install RCI device in ether orifice
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         ” or “
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Error message when running GLM with
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         500
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         variables”
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         is much more informative and useful.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         In fact I purposely ignore these types of questions even if I
>> know the answer.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>
>> 8.    Use your real name, or at least something that looks like a real
>> name. It makes us feel a little stupid to start a reply by saying "Hi
>> MadDog". The forums will automatically anonymise your email: we
>> cannot respond to you by email because we do not have your email
>> address
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         (Sure we do.. Are you paranoid yet?)
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         .
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Unless your name is Black Rock City Hottie then see 8.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>
>>  9.   If nobody answers your question, it is probably because nobody
>> knows
>> the answer.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Of course we do.  we are just sadists and holding out on you
>> because the question is hazier than the brown acid at Woodstock .
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         9b. There is no guarantee that anyone will know the answer,
>> though most questions do get answered. There is also no guarantee
>> regarding response times – an answer will appear when somebody who
>> knows the answer chances to read the question. Putting “URGENT” into
>> a message header will make no difference as to when that will happen.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Putting URGENT in the header is a great way to be completely
>> ignored!
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>
>>  10.    If your English is not very good, don't worry – nobody is going
>> to
>> laugh at you
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         (but you will not get an answer in yout mother tongue so you
>> had best be able to read English or use Babblefish)
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          . Do your best to explain your problem in English, but also
>> include your question in your native language: chances are one of us
>> can read it. If we have trouble understanding something, we will ask
>> you to explain again
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          (or maybe not).
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>
>> 10a.    On the other hand, if English is your mother tongue, please try
>> to
>> remember to run the spellchecker before posting – and especially, try
>> to ensure there are no errors in your subject line. In a long thread,
>> especially, these can become irritating for other people.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         ABOVE ALL DON'T SPEAK IN FREAKING IM!!! and don't use all
>> CAPS it is considered *SHOUTING* and is really freaking annoying!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>
>> 11.    If you have a follow-up question, or a contribution to make to an
>> answer post it back to the forum! Many people may be interested in
>> the additional information. Also, if the person answering your
>> question is not entirely sure about the answer, post back saying
>> whether it worked or not.
>> That helps for when the question comes up again. Forums work well
>> because everybody can see all the information.
>>
>> &lt;SNIP MVP /M$ pay to play spiel&gt;
>> ------------------------------------------
>> AND!!!!
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         DMM1.  Don't hijack previous threads with an OT/different topic.
>> There is
>> a NEW THREAD option and replying to a "how do I mutilate my data
>> using the SPSS ginzu option" with a "My table isn't coming out right"
>> or "Python sucks/Macros rule" is bound to bury your question in the
>> bowels of something completely irrelevant to your cause and the right
>> people won't see it.  Personally I use Nabble to view this group and
>> Changed subject lines end up threaded under the original topic.
>>
>> DMM2.  Don't expect people to do your thinking and your job for you.
>> If you have been struggling to solve a problem for days or weeks
>> maybe you should hire a competent consultant or find training.
>> Ultimately it may save you money and a lot of hair.  SPSS is a complex program.
>> Don't expect t learn it in 2 days (or even 2 years).  I have used it
>> for 30 years and still look at the manual occasionally.
>>
>> DMM3. RTFM (read the fine manual).  Not literally "read", but BROWSE
>> it for X's sake to get the lay of the land.
>>
>> DMM4.  Browse the archives to see if anything remotely similar has
>> been asked in say the past 20 years?
>> OOPS the archives have been truncated to 1996 so 16 years.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         ------
>> ADDED 9/12: After the fact.
>>
>> DMM5.  If you are attempting to perform some sort of unnatural act
>> with strange data please provide some sort of reasonable
>> representation of the existing structure of the data and an example
>> of what you wish to achieve as a result of the data transformation.
>> Rather than attempting to describe the data in human language provide
>> an actual snippet or mock up of the relevant fields and their role in
>> the problem.
>>
>> DMM6.  If in the rare event you should receive a cryptic error
>> message or warning from the Oracle of Cthulhu
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos  disguised as coming from
>> your SPSS session PLEASE provide the exact error message or warning
>> so you at least will have some hope of receiving a reply.
>>
>> DMM7.  If you are attempting to have people here do your homework you
>> would be advised to disguise that fact and not quote the homework
>> question verbatim.  Opacity in such matters is critical.
>>
>> eg Obvious homework question(s):
>> 1.  If a variable is distributed normally with mean 0 and SD 1.  What
>> is the probability that the mean of 10 numbers drawn from this
>> distribution exceeds 1.9645 .
>>
>> 2. What is the probability the mean of sample size 20 lies between -2
>> and 1.98.
>>
>> PLONK!!!
>>
>> (opacity added)
>> I am new to this list and was wondering how one computed
>> probabilities for a normal distribution in SPSS.
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Please reply to the list and not to my personal email.
>> Those desiring my consulting or training services please feel free to
>> email me.
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>> View this message in context:
>> http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Tips-on-Posting-questio
>> n s-to-the-SPSS-list-tp5715038p5717492.html
>> Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.

David Marso
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How about ROTFLMFAO?
"Statistics and programming should not be so much fun."
Why?  Would you prefer to be a forensic pathologist hanging out with dead people?
I have a lot of fun doing stats and programming.  But many people find that odd ;-)
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Hart, Kimberly (hartkb) wrote
Why, laughing my a** off of course! Statistics and programming should not be so much fun... ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Marso
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 2:26 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.

You and Bruce are becoming WAY TO GOOD AT THIS!!!
What's LMAO?
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Hart, Kimberly (hartkb) wrote
> TLTR=Too long to read
>
> And I am LMAO  ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> ] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:52 AM
> To:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.
>
> I'll attempt to translate.  ;-)
>
> /After reviewing recent activity!!!
> BUMP!!!!
> Need I say more?
> /
> A lot of recent posters have obviously not considered the advice in
> the "Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list" thread.  BUMP = see
> http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Tips-on-Posting-questions-to-the-SPSS-list-td5715038.html.
>
> /About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
> /
> LOA = Leave of Absence
>
> /Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
> peeps?
> /
>
> ADD = Attention Deficit Disorder.
> I haven't worked out what TLTR is yet.
>
> HTH.
>
>
> Art Kendall wrote
>> Please clarify your post.
>>       Art Kendall
>> Social Research Consultants
>>       On 1/17/2013 11:51 PM, David Marso wrote:
>>
>>
>>       After reviewing recent activity!!!
>> BUMP!!!!
>> Need I say more?
>> About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
>> Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
>> peeps?
>> ----
>>
>> David Marso wrote
>>
>>
>>         Modified from:
>> http://word.mvps.org/findhelp/posting.htm
>> <Edited 09/12/2012>
>> Original in regular font my mods in italic and bold.
>> -------
>> 1. The first thing to remember is that nobody is paid to answer
>> questions in the forums.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Despite the FUBAR economy most
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          have a day job doing something else. Those who answer do so
>> because they enjoy it
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         or are incorrigible masochists
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         . If you respect that, and try to make it easy and enjoyable
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         or painful
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          for people to answer you, then all the other tips here will
>> seem obvious.
>> <SNIP>
>>   Please make sure you mention which version of SPSS you are using
>> when you put a question (it's often impossible to answer your
>> question if you don't). It also helps if you mention which operating
>> system you are using.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         OTOH:  My solutions work for
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>          all
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         versions.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         Please do not send people direct emails
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>          unless they ask for them: it's very rude. And you probably
>> won't get an
>> answer: With
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         ??
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         -million users of SPSS out there, no-one would live long
>> enough to answer all the emails that would result if each Word user
>> sent them just one email in their whole lifetime.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         In fact I would reply with a 5M file of my cat in drag to
>> every one of them
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         .
>>
>> 2.    Please do not send attachments unless we request them. We normally
>> do not need an attachment to answer your question:
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         a reasonably concise thorough well thought out
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          description is sufficient.
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         <SNIP>
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>
>> 3.    Check to see which forum is most relevant to your problem. Read the
>> questions and answers, and see if they are on a topic similar to your
>> question. It may even be that your question has already been asked
>> and answered recently! If you have made an honest effort to find an
>> appropriate forum, people will do their best to answer you, even if
>> the question is at the edge of the main subject area of the forum.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Well, the only other forum other than the IBM/SPSS forums is
>> the SPAM raped google forum (good luck with that.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         4 omitted...(just stuff about not posting to GT 1 forum).
>>
>> 5.    Say which version of SPSS
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         god forbid PASW snicker...
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          you are using. ..
>> <SNIP>
>>  see 1.
>> EXCEPT "we can't see your screen from here..." and eSPSS and
>> InterNeTelepathy are in short supply
>>
>>  6.   Describe your problem as fully
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         (and concisely -THAT IS
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         NOT
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         PARADOXICAL-)
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          as possible, including where appropriate what you have tried
>> so far when attempting to fix it. This is NOT the place to try to be
>> brief: that's for Twitter, and this is not Twitter!  Where possible,
>> use the terms used within SPSS itself to describe what is happening.
>> Describe what you are trying to achieve overall. Sometimes people
>> concentrate so hard on a particular way of solving the problem, that
>> they don't notice that they are using a hammer to drive screws into
>> the wall!
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         In other words:  Please take at least as much time
>> formulating and posting as you expect others to take to resolve your
>> issue.  My personal limit on time commitment is about 3-5 minutes!!
>> If it is going to take me longer then it will take you hours and you
>> should pay me my 70 per hour rate for my consulting time.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         .
>>
>> 7.    Make the message subject heading descriptive of the question.
>> Saying
>> “SPSS problem” or “Help!!!” isn't going to catch the eye of somebody
>> who might know the answer. “
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Can't install RCI device in ether orifice
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         ” or “
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Error message when running GLM with
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         500
>>
>>
>>       *
>>
>>
>>         variables”
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         is much more informative and useful.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         In fact I purposely ignore these types of questions even if I
>> know the answer.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>
>> 8.    Use your real name, or at least something that looks like a real
>> name. It makes us feel a little stupid to start a reply by saying "Hi
>> MadDog". The forums will automatically anonymise your email: we
>> cannot respond to you by email because we do not have your email
>> address
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         (Sure we do.. Are you paranoid yet?)
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         .
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Unless your name is Black Rock City Hottie then see 8.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>
>>  9.   If nobody answers your question, it is probably because nobody
>> knows
>> the answer.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Of course we do.  we are just sadists and holding out on you
>> because the question is hazier than the brown acid at Woodstock .
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         9b. There is no guarantee that anyone will know the answer,
>> though most questions do get answered. There is also no guarantee
>> regarding response times – an answer will appear when somebody who
>> knows the answer chances to read the question. Putting “URGENT” into
>> a message header will make no difference as to when that will happen.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         Putting URGENT in the header is a great way to be completely
>> ignored!
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>
>>  10.    If your English is not very good, don't worry – nobody is going
>> to
>> laugh at you
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         (but you will not get an answer in yout mother tongue so you
>> had best be able to read English or use Babblefish)
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          . Do your best to explain your problem in English, but also
>> include your question in your native language: chances are one of us
>> can read it. If we have trouble understanding something, we will ask
>> you to explain again
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>          (or maybe not).
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>
>> 10a.    On the other hand, if English is your mother tongue, please try
>> to
>> remember to run the spellchecker before posting – and especially, try
>> to ensure there are no errors in your subject line. In a long thread,
>> especially, these can become irritating for other people.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         ABOVE ALL DON'T SPEAK IN FREAKING IM!!! and don't use all
>> CAPS it is considered *SHOUTING* and is really freaking annoying!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>
>> 11.    If you have a follow-up question, or a contribution to make to an
>> answer post it back to the forum! Many people may be interested in
>> the additional information. Also, if the person answering your
>> question is not entirely sure about the answer, post back saying
>> whether it worked or not.
>> That helps for when the question comes up again. Forums work well
>> because everybody can see all the information.
>>
>> <SNIP MVP /M$ pay to play spiel>
>> ------------------------------------------
>> AND!!!!
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         DMM1.  Don't hijack previous threads with an OT/different topic.
>> There is
>> a NEW THREAD option and replying to a "how do I mutilate my data
>> using the SPSS ginzu option" with a "My table isn't coming out right"
>> or "Python sucks/Macros rule" is bound to bury your question in the
>> bowels of something completely irrelevant to your cause and the right
>> people won't see it.  Personally I use Nabble to view this group and
>> Changed subject lines end up threaded under the original topic.
>>
>> DMM2.  Don't expect people to do your thinking and your job for you.
>> If you have been struggling to solve a problem for days or weeks
>> maybe you should hire a competent consultant or find training.
>> Ultimately it may save you money and a lot of hair.  SPSS is a complex program.
>> Don't expect t learn it in 2 days (or even 2 years).  I have used it
>> for 30 years and still look at the manual occasionally.
>>
>> DMM3. RTFM (read the fine manual).  Not literally "read", but BROWSE
>> it for X's sake to get the lay of the land.
>>
>> DMM4.  Browse the archives to see if anything remotely similar has
>> been asked in say the past 20 years?
>> OOPS the archives have been truncated to 1996 so 16 years.
>>
>>
>>       /
>>
>>
>>         ------
>> ADDED 9/12: After the fact.
>>
>> DMM5.  If you are attempting to perform some sort of unnatural act
>> with strange data please provide some sort of reasonable
>> representation of the existing structure of the data and an example
>> of what you wish to achieve as a result of the data transformation.
>> Rather than attempting to describe the data in human language provide
>> an actual snippet or mock up of the relevant fields and their role in
>> the problem.
>>
>> DMM6.  If in the rare event you should receive a cryptic error
>> message or warning from the Oracle of Cthulhu
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos  disguised as coming from
>> your SPSS session PLEASE provide the exact error message or warning
>> so you at least will have some hope of receiving a reply.
>>
>> DMM7.  If you are attempting to have people here do your homework you
>> would be advised to disguise that fact and not quote the homework
>> question verbatim.  Opacity in such matters is critical.
>>
>> eg Obvious homework question(s):
>> 1.  If a variable is distributed normally with mean 0 and SD 1.  What
>> is the probability that the mean of 10 numbers drawn from this
>> distribution exceeds 1.9645 .
>>
>> 2. What is the probability the mean of sample size 20 lies between -2
>> and 1.98.
>>
>> PLONK!!!
>>
>> (opacity added)
>> I am new to this list and was wondering how one computed
>> probabilities for a normal distribution in SPSS.
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.

Ryan Black
"IKYBYUWYTISBINSYRTWYHINWIM"

Sorry, but I couldn't resist. :-)

Ryan
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, David Marso <[hidden email]> wrote:
How about ROTFLMFAO?
"Statistics and programming should not be so much fun."
Why?  Would you prefer to be a forensic pathologist hanging out with dead
people?
I have a lot of fun doing stats and programming.  But many people find that
odd ;-)
Balance it out with art and cooking!
---

Hart, Kimberly (hartkb) wrote
> Why, laughing my a** off of course! Statistics and programming should not
> be so much fun... ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> ] On Behalf Of David Marso
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 2:26 PM
> To:

> SPSSX-L@.UGA

> Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.
>
> You and Bruce are becoming WAY TO GOOD AT THIS!!!
> What's LMAO?
> --
>
> Hart, Kimberly (hartkb) wrote
>> TLTR=Too long to read
>>
>> And I am LMAO  ;)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:
>
>> SPSSX-L@.UGA
>
>> ] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver
>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:52 AM
>> To:
>
>> SPSSX-L@.UGA
>
>> Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.
>>
>> I'll attempt to translate.  ;-)
>>
>> /After reviewing recent activity!!!
>> BUMP!!!!
>> Need I say more?
>> /
>> A lot of recent posters have obviously not considered the advice in
>> the "Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list" thread.  BUMP = see
>> http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Tips-on-Posting-questions-to-the-SPSS-list-td5715038.html.
>>
>> /About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
>> /
>> LOA = Leave of Absence
>>
>> /Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
>> peeps?
>> /
>>
>> ADD = Attention Deficit Disorder.
>> I haven't worked out what TLTR is yet.
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>>
>> Art Kendall wrote
>>> Please clarify your post.
>>>       Art Kendall
>>> Social Research Consultants
>>>       On 1/17/2013 11:51 PM, David Marso wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       After reviewing recent activity!!!
>>> BUMP!!!!
>>> Need I say more?
>>> About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
>>> Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
>>> peeps?
>>> ----
>>>
>>> David Marso wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>         Modified from:
>>> http://word.mvps.org/findhelp/posting.htm
>>> &lt;Edited 09/12/2012&gt;
>>> Original in regular font my mods in italic and bold.
>>> -------
>>> 1. The first thing to remember is that nobody is paid to answer
>>> questions in the forums.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         Despite the FUBAR economy most
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>          have a day job doing something else. Those who answer do so
>>> because they enjoy it
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         or are incorrigible masochists
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         . If you respect that, and try to make it easy and enjoyable
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         or painful
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>          for people to answer you, then all the other tips here will
>>> seem obvious.
>>> &lt;SNIP&gt;
>>>   Please make sure you mention which version of SPSS you are using
>>> when you put a question (it's often impossible to answer your
>>> question if you don't). It also helps if you mention which operating
>>> system you are using.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         OTOH:  My solutions work for
>>>
>>>
>>>       *
>>>
>>>
>>>          all
>>>
>>>
>>>       *
>>>
>>>
>>>         versions.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       *
>>>
>>>
>>>         Please do not send people direct emails
>>>
>>>
>>>       *
>>>
>>>
>>>          unless they ask for them: it's very rude. And you probably
>>> won't get an
>>> answer: With
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         ??
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         -million users of SPSS out there, no-one would live long
>>> enough to answer all the emails that would result if each Word user
>>> sent them just one email in their whole lifetime.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         In fact I would reply with a 5M file of my cat in drag to
>>> every one of them
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         .
>>>
>>> 2.    Please do not send attachments unless we request them. We normally
>>> do not need an attachment to answer your question:
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         a reasonably concise thorough well thought out
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>          description is sufficient.
>>>
>>>
>>>       *
>>>
>>>
>>>         &lt;SNIP&gt;
>>>
>>>
>>>       *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3.    Check to see which forum is most relevant to your problem. Read
>>> the
>>> questions and answers, and see if they are on a topic similar to your
>>> question. It may even be that your question has already been asked
>>> and answered recently! If you have made an honest effort to find an
>>> appropriate forum, people will do their best to answer you, even if
>>> the question is at the edge of the main subject area of the forum.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         Well, the only other forum other than the IBM/SPSS forums is
>>> the SPAM raped google forum (good luck with that.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         4 omitted...(just stuff about not posting to GT 1 forum).
>>>
>>> 5.    Say which version of SPSS
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         god forbid PASW snicker...
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>          you are using. ..
>>> &lt;SNIP&gt;
>>>  see 1.
>>> EXCEPT "we can't see your screen from here..." and eSPSS and
>>> InterNeTelepathy are in short supply
>>>
>>>  6.   Describe your problem as fully
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         (and concisely -THAT IS
>>>
>>>
>>>       *
>>>
>>>
>>>         NOT
>>>
>>>
>>>       *
>>>
>>>
>>>         PARADOXICAL-)
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>          as possible, including where appropriate what you have tried
>>> so far when attempting to fix it. This is NOT the place to try to be
>>> brief: that's for Twitter, and this is not Twitter!  Where possible,
>>> use the terms used within SPSS itself to describe what is happening.
>>> Describe what you are trying to achieve overall. Sometimes people
>>> concentrate so hard on a particular way of solving the problem, that
>>> they don't notice that they are using a hammer to drive screws into
>>> the wall!
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         In other words:  Please take at least as much time
>>> formulating and posting as you expect others to take to resolve your
>>> issue.  My personal limit on time commitment is about 3-5 minutes!!
>>> If it is going to take me longer then it will take you hours and you
>>> should pay me my 70 per hour rate for my consulting time.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         .
>>>
>>> 7.    Make the message subject heading descriptive of the question.
>>> Saying
>>> “SPSS problem” or “Help!!!” isn't going to catch the eye of somebody
>>> who might know the answer. “
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         Can't install RCI device in ether orifice
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         ” or “
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         Error message when running GLM with
>>>
>>>
>>>       *
>>>
>>>
>>>         500
>>>
>>>
>>>       *
>>>
>>>
>>>         variables”
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         is much more informative and useful.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         In fact I purposely ignore these types of questions even if I
>>> know the answer.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 8.    Use your real name, or at least something that looks like a real
>>> name. It makes us feel a little stupid to start a reply by saying "Hi
>>> MadDog". The forums will automatically anonymise your email: we
>>> cannot respond to you by email because we do not have your email
>>> address
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         (Sure we do.. Are you paranoid yet?)
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         .
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         Unless your name is Black Rock City Hottie then see 8.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  9.   If nobody answers your question, it is probably because nobody
>>> knows
>>> the answer.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         Of course we do.  we are just sadists and holding out on you
>>> because the question is hazier than the brown acid at Woodstock .
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         9b. There is no guarantee that anyone will know the answer,
>>> though most questions do get answered. There is also no guarantee
>>> regarding response times – an answer will appear when somebody who
>>> knows the answer chances to read the question. Putting “URGENT” into
>>> a message header will make no difference as to when that will happen.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         Putting URGENT in the header is a great way to be completely
>>> ignored!
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  10.    If your English is not very good, don't worry – nobody is going
>>> to
>>> laugh at you
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         (but you will not get an answer in yout mother tongue so you
>>> had best be able to read English or use Babblefish)
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>          . Do your best to explain your problem in English, but also
>>> include your question in your native language: chances are one of us
>>> can read it. If we have trouble understanding something, we will ask
>>> you to explain again
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>          (or maybe not).
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 10a.    On the other hand, if English is your mother tongue, please try
>>> to
>>> remember to run the spellchecker before posting – and especially, try
>>> to ensure there are no errors in your subject line. In a long thread,
>>> especially, these can become irritating for other people.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         ABOVE ALL DON'T SPEAK IN FREAKING IM!!! and don't use all
>>> CAPS it is considered *SHOUTING* and is really freaking annoying!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 11.    If you have a follow-up question, or a contribution to make to an
>>> answer post it back to the forum! Many people may be interested in
>>> the additional information. Also, if the person answering your
>>> question is not entirely sure about the answer, post back saying
>>> whether it worked or not.
>>> That helps for when the question comes up again. Forums work well
>>> because everybody can see all the information.
>>>
>>> &lt;SNIP MVP /M$ pay to play spiel&gt;
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>> AND!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         DMM1.  Don't hijack previous threads with an OT/different topic.
>>> There is
>>> a NEW THREAD option and replying to a "how do I mutilate my data
>>> using the SPSS ginzu option" with a "My table isn't coming out right"
>>> or "Python sucks/Macros rule" is bound to bury your question in the
>>> bowels of something completely irrelevant to your cause and the right
>>> people won't see it.  Personally I use Nabble to view this group and
>>> Changed subject lines end up threaded under the original topic.
>>>
>>> DMM2.  Don't expect people to do your thinking and your job for you.
>>> If you have been struggling to solve a problem for days or weeks
>>> maybe you should hire a competent consultant or find training.
>>> Ultimately it may save you money and a lot of hair.  SPSS is a complex
>>> program.
>>> Don't expect t learn it in 2 days (or even 2 years).  I have used it
>>> for 30 years and still look at the manual occasionally.
>>>
>>> DMM3. RTFM (read the fine manual).  Not literally "read", but BROWSE
>>> it for X's sake to get the lay of the land.
>>>
>>> DMM4.  Browse the archives to see if anything remotely similar has
>>> been asked in say the past 20 years?
>>> OOPS the archives have been truncated to 1996 so 16 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>       /
>>>
>>>
>>>         ------
>>> ADDED 9/12: After the fact.
>>>
>>> DMM5.  If you are attempting to perform some sort of unnatural act
>>> with strange data please provide some sort of reasonable
>>> representation of the existing structure of the data and an example
>>> of what you wish to achieve as a result of the data transformation.
>>> Rather than attempting to describe the data in human language provide
>>> an actual snippet or mock up of the relevant fields and their role in
>>> the problem.
>>>
>>> DMM6.  If in the rare event you should receive a cryptic error
>>> message or warning from the Oracle of Cthulhu
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos  disguised as coming from
>>> your SPSS session PLEASE provide the exact error message or warning
>>> so you at least will have some hope of receiving a reply.
>>>
>>> DMM7.  If you are attempting to have people here do your homework you
>>> would be advised to disguise that fact and not quote the homework
>>> question verbatim.  Opacity in such matters is critical.
>>>
>>> eg Obvious homework question(s):
>>> 1.  If a variable is distributed normally with mean 0 and SD 1.  What
>>> is the probability that the mean of 10 numbers drawn from this
>>> distribution exceeds 1.9645 .
>>>
>>> 2. What is the probability the mean of sample size 20 lies between -2
>>> and 1.98.
>>>
>>> PLONK!!!
>>>
>>> (opacity added)
>>> I am new to this list and was wondering how one computed
>>> probabilities for a normal distribution in SPSS.
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.

David Marso
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Crap Ryan ;-)
Let's see:  It is beer-o'clock in PA!
You probably don't want to see what blue goo might emerge from my deranged skull 2 hrs from now ;-)
So! -better tell us WTF IKYBYUWYTISBINSYRTWYHINWIM means!-
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"IKYBYUWYTISBINSYRTWYHINWIM"

Sorry, but I couldn't resist. :-)
Ryan
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, David Marso <[hidden email]> wrote:

> How about ROTFLMFAO?
> "Statistics and programming should not be so much fun."
> Why?  Would you prefer to be a forensic pathologist hanging out with dead
> people?
> I have a lot of fun doing stats and programming.  But many people find that
> odd ;-)
> Balance it out with art and cooking!
> ---
>
> Hart, Kimberly (hartkb) wrote
> > Why, laughing my a** off of course! Statistics and programming should not
> > be so much fun... ;)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:
>
> > SPSSX-L@.UGA
>
> > ] On Behalf Of David Marso
> > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 2:26 PM
> > To:
>
> > SPSSX-L@.UGA
>
> > Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.
> >
> > You and Bruce are becoming WAY TO GOOD AT THIS!!!
> > What's LMAO?
> > --
> >
> > Hart, Kimberly (hartkb) wrote
> >> TLTR=Too long to read
> >>
> >> And I am LMAO  ;)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:
> >
> >> SPSSX-L@.UGA
> >
> >> ] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver
> >> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:52 AM
> >> To:
> >
> >> SPSSX-L@.UGA
> >
> >> Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.
> >>
> >> I'll attempt to translate.  ;-)
> >>
> >> /After reviewing recent activity!!!
> >> BUMP!!!!
> >> Need I say more?
> >> /
> >> A lot of recent posters have obviously not considered the advice in
> >> the "Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list" thread.  BUMP = see
> >>
> http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Tips-on-Posting-questions-to-the-SPSS-list-td5715038.html
> .
> >>
> >> /About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
> >> /
> >> LOA = Leave of Absence
> >>
> >> /Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
> >> peeps?
> >> /
> >>
> >> ADD = Attention Deficit Disorder.
> >> I haven't worked out what TLTR is yet.
> >>
> >> HTH.
> >>
> >>
> >> Art Kendall wrote
> >>> Please clarify your post.
> >>>       Art Kendall
> >>> Social Research Consultants
> >>>       On 1/17/2013 11:51 PM, David Marso wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       After reviewing recent activity!!!
> >>> BUMP!!!!
> >>> Need I say more?
> >>> About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
> >>> Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
> >>> peeps?
> >>> ----
> >>>
> >>> David Marso wrote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         Modified from:
> >>> http://word.mvps.org/findhelp/posting.htm
> >>> <Edited 09/12/2012>
> >>> Original in regular font my mods in italic and bold.
> >>> -------
> >>> 1. The first thing to remember is that nobody is paid to answer
> >>> questions in the forums.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         Despite the FUBAR economy most
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>          have a day job doing something else. Those who answer do so
> >>> because they enjoy it
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         or are incorrigible masochists
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         . If you respect that, and try to make it easy and enjoyable
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         or painful
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>          for people to answer you, then all the other tips here will
> >>> seem obvious.
> >>> <SNIP>
> >>>   Please make sure you mention which version of SPSS you are using
> >>> when you put a question (it's often impossible to answer your
> >>> question if you don't). It also helps if you mention which operating
> >>> system you are using.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         OTOH:  My solutions work for
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>          all
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         versions.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         Please do not send people direct emails
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>          unless they ask for them: it's very rude. And you probably
> >>> won't get an
> >>> answer: With
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         ??
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         -million users of SPSS out there, no-one would live long
> >>> enough to answer all the emails that would result if each Word user
> >>> sent them just one email in their whole lifetime.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         In fact I would reply with a 5M file of my cat in drag to
> >>> every one of them
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         .
> >>>
> >>> 2.    Please do not send attachments unless we request them. We
> normally
> >>> do not need an attachment to answer your question:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         a reasonably concise thorough well thought out
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>          description is sufficient.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         <SNIP>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 3.    Check to see which forum is most relevant to your problem. Read
> >>> the
> >>> questions and answers, and see if they are on a topic similar to your
> >>> question. It may even be that your question has already been asked
> >>> and answered recently! If you have made an honest effort to find an
> >>> appropriate forum, people will do their best to answer you, even if
> >>> the question is at the edge of the main subject area of the forum.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         Well, the only other forum other than the IBM/SPSS forums is
> >>> the SPAM raped google forum (good luck with that.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         4 omitted...(just stuff about not posting to GT 1 forum).
> >>>
> >>> 5.    Say which version of SPSS
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         god forbid PASW snicker...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>          you are using. ..
> >>> <SNIP>
> >>>  see 1.
> >>> EXCEPT "we can't see your screen from here..." and eSPSS and
> >>> InterNeTelepathy are in short supply
> >>>
> >>>  6.   Describe your problem as fully
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         (and concisely -THAT IS
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         NOT
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         PARADOXICAL-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>          as possible, including where appropriate what you have tried
> >>> so far when attempting to fix it. This is NOT the place to try to be
> >>> brief: that's for Twitter, and this is not Twitter!  Where possible,
> >>> use the terms used within SPSS itself to describe what is happening.
> >>> Describe what you are trying to achieve overall. Sometimes people
> >>> concentrate so hard on a particular way of solving the problem, that
> >>> they don't notice that they are using a hammer to drive screws into
> >>> the wall!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         In other words:  Please take at least as much time
> >>> formulating and posting as you expect others to take to resolve your
> >>> issue.  My personal limit on time commitment is about 3-5 minutes!!
> >>> If it is going to take me longer then it will take you hours and you
> >>> should pay me my 70 per hour rate for my consulting time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         .
> >>>
> >>> 7.    Make the message subject heading descriptive of the question.
> >>> Saying
> >>> “SPSS problem” or “Help!!!” isn't going to catch the eye of somebody
> >>> who might know the answer. “
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         Can't install RCI device in ether orifice
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         ” or “
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         Error message when running GLM with
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         500
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         variables”
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         is much more informative and useful.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         In fact I purposely ignore these types of questions even if I
> >>> know the answer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 8.    Use your real name, or at least something that looks like a real
> >>> name. It makes us feel a little stupid to start a reply by saying "Hi
> >>> MadDog". The forums will automatically anonymise your email: we
> >>> cannot respond to you by email because we do not have your email
> >>> address
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         (Sure we do.. Are you paranoid yet?)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         .
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         Unless your name is Black Rock City Hottie then see 8.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  9.   If nobody answers your question, it is probably because nobody
> >>> knows
> >>> the answer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         Of course we do.  we are just sadists and holding out on you
> >>> because the question is hazier than the brown acid at Woodstock .
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         9b. There is no guarantee that anyone will know the answer,
> >>> though most questions do get answered. There is also no guarantee
> >>> regarding response times – an answer will appear when somebody who
> >>> knows the answer chances to read the question. Putting “URGENT” into
> >>> a message header will make no difference as to when that will happen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         Putting URGENT in the header is a great way to be completely
> >>> ignored!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  10.    If your English is not very good, don't worry – nobody is going
> >>> to
> >>> laugh at you
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         (but you will not get an answer in yout mother tongue so you
> >>> had best be able to read English or use Babblefish)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>          . Do your best to explain your problem in English, but also
> >>> include your question in your native language: chances are one of us
> >>> can read it. If we have trouble understanding something, we will ask
> >>> you to explain again
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>          (or maybe not).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 10a.    On the other hand, if English is your mother tongue, please try
> >>> to
> >>> remember to run the spellchecker before posting – and especially, try
> >>> to ensure there are no errors in your subject line. In a long thread,
> >>> especially, these can become irritating for other people.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         ABOVE ALL DON'T SPEAK IN FREAKING IM!!! and don't use all
> >>> CAPS it is considered *SHOUTING* and is really freaking annoying!!!!!!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 11.    If you have a follow-up question, or a contribution to make to
> an
> >>> answer post it back to the forum! Many people may be interested in
> >>> the additional information. Also, if the person answering your
> >>> question is not entirely sure about the answer, post back saying
> >>> whether it worked or not.
> >>> That helps for when the question comes up again. Forums work well
> >>> because everybody can see all the information.
> >>>
> >>> <SNIP MVP /M$ pay to play spiel>
> >>> ------------------------------------------
> >>> AND!!!!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         DMM1.  Don't hijack previous threads with an OT/different
> topic.
> >>> There is
> >>> a NEW THREAD option and replying to a "how do I mutilate my data
> >>> using the SPSS ginzu option" with a "My table isn't coming out right"
> >>> or "Python sucks/Macros rule" is bound to bury your question in the
> >>> bowels of something completely irrelevant to your cause and the right
> >>> people won't see it.  Personally I use Nabble to view this group and
> >>> Changed subject lines end up threaded under the original topic.
> >>>
> >>> DMM2.  Don't expect people to do your thinking and your job for you.
> >>> If you have been struggling to solve a problem for days or weeks
> >>> maybe you should hire a competent consultant or find training.
> >>> Ultimately it may save you money and a lot of hair.  SPSS is a complex
> >>> program.
> >>> Don't expect t learn it in 2 days (or even 2 years).  I have used it
> >>> for 30 years and still look at the manual occasionally.
> >>>
> >>> DMM3. RTFM (read the fine manual).  Not literally "read", but BROWSE
> >>> it for X's sake to get the lay of the land.
> >>>
> >>> DMM4.  Browse the archives to see if anything remotely similar has
> >>> been asked in say the past 20 years?
> >>> OOPS the archives have been truncated to 1996 so 16 years.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       /
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         ------
> >>> ADDED 9/12: After the fact.
> >>>
> >>> DMM5.  If you are attempting to perform some sort of unnatural act
> >>> with strange data please provide some sort of reasonable
> >>> representation of the existing structure of the data and an example
> >>> of what you wish to achieve as a result of the data transformation.
> >>> Rather than attempting to describe the data in human language provide
> >>> an actual snippet or mock up of the relevant fields and their role in
> >>> the problem.
> >>>
> >>> DMM6.  If in the rare event you should receive a cryptic error
> >>> message or warning from the Oracle of Cthulhu
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos  disguised as coming from
> >>> your SPSS session PLEASE provide the exact error message or warning
> >>> so you at least will have some hope of receiving a reply.
> >>>
> >>> DMM7.  If you are attempting to have people here do your homework you
> >>> would be advised to disguise that fact and not quote the homework
> >>> question verbatim.  Opacity in such matters is critical.
> >>>
> >>> eg Obvious homework question(s):
> >>> 1.  If a variable is distributed normally with mean 0 and SD 1.  What
> >>> is the probability that the mean of 10 numbers drawn from this
> >>> distribution exceeds 1.9645 .
> >>>
> >>> 2. What is the probability the mean of sample size 20 lies between -2
> >>> and 1.98.
> >>>
> >>> PLONK!!!
> >>>
> >>> (opacity added)
> >>> I am new to this list and was wondering how one computed
> >>> probabilities for a normal distribution in SPSS.
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----
> >>> Please reply to the list and not to my personal email.
> >>> Those desiring my consulting or training services please feel free to
> >>> email me.
> >>> --
> >>> View this message in context:
> >>> http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Tips-on-Posting-questio
> >>> n s-to-the-SPSS-list-tp5715038p5717492.html
> >>> Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>>
> >>> =====================
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Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.

Ryan Black
Here ya go:

I Know You Believe You Understand What You Think I Said, But I'm Not Sure You Realize That What You Heard Is Not What I Meant

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:03 PM, David Marso <[hidden email]> wrote:

Crap Ryan ;-)
Let's see:  It is beer-o'clock in PA!
You probably don't want to see what blue goo might emerge from my deranged
skull 2 hrs from now ;-)
So! -better tell us WTF IKYBYUWYTISBINSYRTWYHINWIM means!-
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"IKYBYUWYTISBINSYRTWYHINWIM"

Sorry, but I couldn't resist. :-)
Ryan
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, David Marso &lt;

david.marso@

&gt; wrote:

How about ROTFLMFAO?
"Statistics and programming should not be so much fun."
Why?  Would you prefer to be a forensic pathologist hanging out with dead
people?
I have a lot of fun doing stats and programming.  But many people find
that
odd ;-)
Balance it out with art and cooking!
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Hart, Kimberly (hartkb) wrote
Why, laughing my a** off of course! Statistics and programming should
not
be so much fun... ;)

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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 2:26 PM
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Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.

You and Bruce are becoming WAY TO GOOD AT THIS!!!
What's LMAO?
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Hart, Kimberly (hartkb) wrote
TLTR=Too long to read

And I am LMAO  ;)

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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:52 AM
To:

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Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.

I'll attempt to translate.  ;-)

/After reviewing recent activity!!!
BUMP!!!!
Need I say more?
/
A lot of recent posters have obviously not considered the advice in
the "Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list" thread.  BUMP = see

http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Tips-on-Posting-questions-to-the-SPSS-list-td5715038.html
.

/About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
/
LOA = Leave of Absence

/Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
peeps?
/

ADD = Attention Deficit Disorder.
I haven't worked out what TLTR is yet.

HTH.


Art Kendall wrote
Please clarify your post.
     Art Kendall
Social Research Consultants
     On 1/17/2013 11:51 PM, David Marso wrote:


     After reviewing recent activity!!!
BUMP!!!!
Need I say more?
About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
peeps?
----

David Marso wrote


       Modified from:
http://word.mvps.org/findhelp/posting.htm
&lt;Edited 09/12/2012&gt;
Original in regular font my mods in italic and bold.
-------
1. The first thing to remember is that nobody is paid to answer
questions in the forums.


     /


       Despite the FUBAR economy most


     /


        have a day job doing something else. Those who answer do so
because they enjoy it


     /


       or are incorrigible masochists


     /


       . If you respect that, and try to make it easy and enjoyable


     /


       or painful


     /


        for people to answer you, then all the other tips here will
seem obvious.
&lt;SNIP&gt;
 Please make sure you mention which version of SPSS you are using
when you put a question (it's often impossible to answer your
question if you don't). It also helps if you mention which operating
system you are using.


     /


       OTOH:  My solutions work for


     *


        all


     *


       versions.


     /





     *


       Please do not send people direct emails


     *


        unless they ask for them: it's very rude. And you probably
won't get an
answer: With


     /


       ??


     /


       -million users of SPSS out there, no-one would live long
enough to answer all the emails that would result if each Word user
sent them just one email in their whole lifetime.


     /


       In fact I would reply with a 5M file of my cat in drag to
every one of them


     /


       .

2.    Please do not send attachments unless we request them. We
normally
do not need an attachment to answer your question:


     /


       a reasonably concise thorough well thought out


     /


        description is sufficient.


     *


       &lt;SNIP&gt;


     *



3.    Check to see which forum is most relevant to your problem. Read
the
questions and answers, and see if they are on a topic similar to your
question. It may even be that your question has already been asked
and answered recently! If you have made an honest effort to find an
appropriate forum, people will do their best to answer you, even if
the question is at the edge of the main subject area of the forum.


     /


       Well, the only other forum other than the IBM/SPSS forums is
the SPAM raped google forum (good luck with that.


     /


       4 omitted...(just stuff about not posting to GT 1 forum).

5.    Say which version of SPSS


     /


       god forbid PASW snicker...


     /


        you are using. ..
&lt;SNIP&gt;
see 1.
EXCEPT "we can't see your screen from here..." and eSPSS and
InterNeTelepathy are in short supply

6.   Describe your problem as fully


     /


       (and concisely -THAT IS


     *


       NOT


     *


       PARADOXICAL-)


     /


        as possible, including where appropriate what you have tried
so far when attempting to fix it. This is NOT the place to try to be
brief: that's for Twitter, and this is not Twitter!  Where possible,
use the terms used within SPSS itself to describe what is happening.
Describe what you are trying to achieve overall. Sometimes people
concentrate so hard on a particular way of solving the problem, that
they don't notice that they are using a hammer to drive screws into
the wall!


     /


       In other words:  Please take at least as much time
formulating and posting as you expect others to take to resolve your
issue.  My personal limit on time commitment is about 3-5 minutes!!
If it is going to take me longer then it will take you hours and you
should pay me my 70 per hour rate for my consulting time.


     /


       .

7.    Make the message subject heading descriptive of the question.
Saying
“SPSS problem” or “Help!!!” isn't going to catch the eye of somebody
who might know the answer. “


     /


       Can't install RCI device in ether orifice


     /


       ” or “


     /


       Error message when running GLM with


     *


       500


     *


       variables”


     /


       is much more informative and useful.


     /


       In fact I purposely ignore these types of questions even if I
know the answer.


     /



8.    Use your real name, or at least something that looks like a
real
name. It makes us feel a little stupid to start a reply by saying "Hi
MadDog". The forums will automatically anonymise your email: we
cannot respond to you by email because we do not have your email
address


     /


       (Sure we do.. Are you paranoid yet?)


     /


       .


     /


       Unless your name is Black Rock City Hottie then see 8.


     /



9.   If nobody answers your question, it is probably because nobody
knows
the answer.


     /


       Of course we do.  we are just sadists and holding out on you
because the question is hazier than the brown acid at Woodstock .


     /


       9b. There is no guarantee that anyone will know the answer,
though most questions do get answered. There is also no guarantee
regarding response times – an answer will appear when somebody who
knows the answer chances to read the question. Putting “URGENT” into
a message header will make no difference as to when that will happen.


     /


       Putting URGENT in the header is a great way to be completely
ignored!


     /



10.    If your English is not very good, don't worry – nobody is
going
to
laugh at you


     /


       (but you will not get an answer in yout mother tongue so you
had best be able to read English or use Babblefish)


     /


        . Do your best to explain your problem in English, but also
include your question in your native language: chances are one of us
can read it. If we have trouble understanding something, we will ask
you to explain again


     /


        (or maybe not).


     /



10a.    On the other hand, if English is your mother tongue, please
try
to
remember to run the spellchecker before posting – and especially, try
to ensure there are no errors in your subject line. In a long thread,
especially, these can become irritating for other people.


     /


       ABOVE ALL DON'T SPEAK IN FREAKING IM!!! and don't use all
CAPS it is considered *SHOUTING* and is really freaking
annoying!!!!!!!


     /



11.    If you have a follow-up question, or a contribution to make to
an
answer post it back to the forum! Many people may be interested in
the additional information. Also, if the person answering your
question is not entirely sure about the answer, post back saying
whether it worked or not.
That helps for when the question comes up again. Forums work well
because everybody can see all the information.

&lt;SNIP MVP /M$ pay to play spiel&gt;
------------------------------------------
AND!!!!


     /


       DMM1.  Don't hijack previous threads with an OT/different
topic.
There is
a NEW THREAD option and replying to a "how do I mutilate my data
using the SPSS ginzu option" with a "My table isn't coming out right"
or "Python sucks/Macros rule" is bound to bury your question in the
bowels of something completely irrelevant to your cause and the right
people won't see it.  Personally I use Nabble to view this group and
Changed subject lines end up threaded under the original topic.

DMM2.  Don't expect people to do your thinking and your job for you.
If you have been struggling to solve a problem for days or weeks
maybe you should hire a competent consultant or find training.
Ultimately it may save you money and a lot of hair.  SPSS is a
complex
program.
Don't expect t learn it in 2 days (or even 2 years).  I have used it
for 30 years and still look at the manual occasionally.

DMM3. RTFM (read the fine manual).  Not literally "read", but BROWSE
it for X's sake to get the lay of the land.

DMM4.  Browse the archives to see if anything remotely similar has
been asked in say the past 20 years?
OOPS the archives have been truncated to 1996 so 16 years.


     /


       ------
ADDED 9/12: After the fact.

DMM5.  If you are attempting to perform some sort of unnatural act
with strange data please provide some sort of reasonable
representation of the existing structure of the data and an example
of what you wish to achieve as a result of the data transformation.
Rather than attempting to describe the data in human language provide
an actual snippet or mock up of the relevant fields and their role in
the problem.

DMM6.  If in the rare event you should receive a cryptic error
message or warning from the Oracle of Cthulhu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos  disguised as coming from
your SPSS session PLEASE provide the exact error message or warning
so you at least will have some hope of receiving a reply.

DMM7.  If you are attempting to have people here do your homework you
would be advised to disguise that fact and not quote the homework
question verbatim.  Opacity in such matters is critical.

eg Obvious homework question(s):
1.  If a variable is distributed normally with mean 0 and SD 1.  What
is the probability that the mean of 10 numbers drawn from this
distribution exceeds 1.9645 .

2. What is the probability the mean of sample size 20 lies between -2
and 1.98.

PLONK!!!

(opacity added)
I am new to this list and was wondering how one computed
probabilities for a normal distribution in SPSS.
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Maybe we could CN that to IKYB...NWIM

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Ryan Black [via SPSSX Discussion]
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Here ya go:
>
> I Know You Believe You Understand What You Think I Said, But I'm Not Sure
> You Realize That What You Heard Is Not What I Meant
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 6:03 PM, David Marso <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Crap Ryan ;-)
> Let's see:  It is beer-o'clock in PA!
> You probably don't want to see what blue goo might emerge from my deranged
> skull 2 hrs from now ;-)
> So! -better tell us WTF IKYBYUWYTISBINSYRTWYHINWIM means!-
> ---
>
> Ryan Black wrote
>
> "IKYBYUWYTISBINSYRTWYHINWIM"
>
>
> Sorry, but I couldn't resist. :-)
>
> Ryan
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, David Marso &lt;
>
>
> david.marso@
>
>
> &gt; wrote:
>
>
> How about ROTFLMFAO?
>
> "Statistics and programming should not be so much fun."
>
> Why?  Would you prefer to be a forensic pathologist hanging out with dead
>
> people?
>
> I have a lot of fun doing stats and programming.  But many people find
>
> that
>
> odd ;-)
>
> Balance it out with art and cooking!
>
> ---
>
>
> Hart, Kimberly (hartkb) wrote
>
> Why, laughing my a** off of course! Statistics and programming should
>
> not
>
> be so much fun... ;)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:
>
>
> SPSSX-L@.UGA
>
>
> ] On Behalf Of David Marso
>
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 2:26 PM
>
> To:
>
>
> SPSSX-L@.UGA
>
>
> Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.
>
>
> You and Bruce are becoming WAY TO GOOD AT THIS!!!
>
> What's LMAO?
>
> --
>
>
> Hart, Kimberly (hartkb) wrote
>
> TLTR=Too long to read
>
>
> And I am LMAO  ;)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:
>
>
> SPSSX-L@.UGA
>
>
> ] On Behalf Of Bruce Weaver
>
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:52 AM
>
> To:
>
>
> SPSSX-L@.UGA
>
>
> Subject: Re: Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list.
>
>
> I'll attempt to translate.  ;-)
>
>
> /After reviewing recent activity!!!
>
> BUMP!!!!
>
> Need I say more?
>
> /
>
> A lot of recent posters have obviously not considered the advice in
>
> the "Tips on Posting questions to the SPSS list" thread.  BUMP = see
>
>
> http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Tips-on-Posting-questions-to-the-SPSS-list-td5715038.html
>
> .
>
>
> /About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
>
> /
>
> LOA = Leave of Absence
>
>
> /Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
>
> peeps?
>
> /
>
>
> ADD = Attention Deficit Disorder.
>
> I haven't worked out what TLTR is yet.
>
>
> HTH.
>
>
>
> Art Kendall wrote
>
> Please clarify your post.
>
>      Art Kendall
>
> Social Research Consultants
>
>      On 1/17/2013 11:51 PM, David Marso wrote:
>
>
>
>      After reviewing recent activity!!!
>
> BUMP!!!!
>
> Need I say more?
>
> About 3 posts away from a 3 mo LOA!!!
>
> Maybe this is TLTR and I should do a Cliff Notes version for the ADD
>
> peeps?
>
> ----
>
>
> David Marso wrote
>
>
>
>        Modified from:
>
> http://word.mvps.org/findhelp/posting.htm
>
> &lt;Edited 09/12/2012&gt;
>
> Original in regular font my mods in italic and bold.
>
> -------
>
> 1. The first thing to remember is that nobody is paid to answer
>
> questions in the forums.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        Despite the FUBAR economy most
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>         have a day job doing something else. Those who answer do so
>
> because they enjoy it
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        or are incorrigible masochists
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        . If you respect that, and try to make it easy and enjoyable
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        or painful
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>         for people to answer you, then all the other tips here will
>
> seem obvious.
>
> &lt;SNIP&gt;
>
>  Please make sure you mention which version of SPSS you are using
>
> when you put a question (it's often impossible to answer your
>
> question if you don't). It also helps if you mention which operating
>
> system you are using.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        OTOH:  My solutions work for
>
>
>
>      *
>
>
>
>         all
>
>
>
>      *
>
>
>
>        versions.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      *
>
>
>
>        Please do not send people direct emails
>
>
>
>      *
>
>
>
>         unless they ask for them: it's very rude. And you probably
>
> won't get an
>
> answer: With
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        ??
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        -million users of SPSS out there, no-one would live long
>
> enough to answer all the emails that would result if each Word user
>
> sent them just one email in their whole lifetime.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        In fact I would reply with a 5M file of my cat in drag to
>
> every one of them
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        .
>
>
> 2.    Please do not send attachments unless we request them. We
>
> normally
>
> do not need an attachment to answer your question:
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        a reasonably concise thorough well thought out
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>         description is sufficient.
>
>
>
>      *
>
>
>
>        &lt;SNIP&gt;
>
>
>
>      *
>
>
>
>
> 3.    Check to see which forum is most relevant to your problem. Read
>
> the
>
> questions and answers, and see if they are on a topic similar to your
>
> question. It may even be that your question has already been asked
>
> and answered recently! If you have made an honest effort to find an
>
> appropriate forum, people will do their best to answer you, even if
>
> the question is at the edge of the main subject area of the forum.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        Well, the only other forum other than the IBM/SPSS forums is
>
> the SPAM raped google forum (good luck with that.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        4 omitted...(just stuff about not posting to GT 1 forum).
>
>
> 5.    Say which version of SPSS
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        god forbid PASW snicker...
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>         you are using. ..
>
> &lt;SNIP&gt;
>
> see 1.
>
> EXCEPT "we can't see your screen from here..." and eSPSS and
>
> InterNeTelepathy are in short supply
>
>
> 6.   Describe your problem as fully
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        (and concisely -THAT IS
>
>
>
>      *
>
>
>
>        NOT
>
>
>
>      *
>
>
>
>        PARADOXICAL-)
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>         as possible, including where appropriate what you have tried
>
> so far when attempting to fix it. This is NOT the place to try to be
>
> brief: that's for Twitter, and this is not Twitter!  Where possible,
>
> use the terms used within SPSS itself to describe what is happening.
>
> Describe what you are trying to achieve overall. Sometimes people
>
> concentrate so hard on a particular way of solving the problem, that
>
> they don't notice that they are using a hammer to drive screws into
>
> the wall!
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        In other words:  Please take at least as much time
>
> formulating and posting as you expect others to take to resolve your
>
> issue.  My personal limit on time commitment is about 3-5 minutes!!
>
> If it is going to take me longer then it will take you hours and you
>
> should pay me my 70 per hour rate for my consulting time.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        .
>
>
> 7.    Make the message subject heading descriptive of the question.
>
> Saying
>
> “SPSS problem” or “Help!!!” isn't going to catch the eye of somebody
>
> who might know the answer. “
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        Can't install RCI device in ether orifice
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        ” or “
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        Error message when running GLM with
>
>
>
>      *
>
>
>
>        500
>
>
>
>      *
>
>
>
>        variables”
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        is much more informative and useful.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        In fact I purposely ignore these types of questions even if I
>
> know the answer.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>
> 8.    Use your real name, or at least something that looks like a
>
> real
>
> name. It makes us feel a little stupid to start a reply by saying "Hi
>
> MadDog". The forums will automatically anonymise your email: we
>
> cannot respond to you by email because we do not have your email
>
> address
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        (Sure we do.. Are you paranoid yet?)
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        .
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        Unless your name is Black Rock City Hottie then see 8.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>
> 9.   If nobody answers your question, it is probably because nobody
>
> knows
>
> the answer.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        Of course we do.  we are just sadists and holding out on you
>
> because the question is hazier than the brown acid at Woodstock .
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        9b. There is no guarantee that anyone will know the answer,
>
> though most questions do get answered. There is also no guarantee
>
> regarding response times – an answer will appear when somebody who
>
> knows the answer chances to read the question. Putting “URGENT” into
>
> a message header will make no difference as to when that will happen.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        Putting URGENT in the header is a great way to be completely
>
> ignored!
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>
> 10.    If your English is not very good, don't worry – nobody is
>
> going
>
> to
>
> laugh at you
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        (but you will not get an answer in yout mother tongue so you
>
> had best be able to read English or use Babblefish)
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>         . Do your best to explain your problem in English, but also
>
> include your question in your native language: chances are one of us
>
> can read it. If we have trouble understanding something, we will ask
>
> you to explain again
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>         (or maybe not).
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>
> 10a.    On the other hand, if English is your mother tongue, please
>
> try
>
> to
>
> remember to run the spellchecker before posting – and especially, try
>
> to ensure there are no errors in your subject line. In a long thread,
>
> especially, these can become irritating for other people.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        ABOVE ALL DON'T SPEAK IN FREAKING IM!!! and don't use all
>
> CAPS it is considered *SHOUTING* and is really freaking
>
> annoying!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>
> 11.    If you have a follow-up question, or a contribution to make to
>
> an
>
> answer post it back to the forum! Many people may be interested in
>
> the additional information. Also, if the person answering your
>
> question is not entirely sure about the answer, post back saying
>
> whether it worked or not.
>
> That helps for when the question comes up again. Forums work well
>
> because everybody can see all the information.
>
>
> &lt;SNIP MVP /M$ pay to play spiel&gt;
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
> AND!!!!
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        DMM1.  Don't hijack previous threads with an OT/different
>
> topic.
>
> There is
>
> a NEW THREAD option and replying to a "how do I mutilate my data
>
> using the SPSS ginzu option" with a "My table isn't coming out right"
>
> or "Python sucks/Macros rule" is bound to bury your question in the
>
> bowels of something completely irrelevant to your cause and the right
>
> people won't see it.  Personally I use Nabble to view this group and
>
> Changed subject lines end up threaded under the original topic.
>
>
> DMM2.  Don't expect people to do your thinking and your job for you.
>
> If you have been struggling to solve a problem for days or weeks
>
> maybe you should hire a competent consultant or find training.
>
> Ultimately it may save you money and a lot of hair.  SPSS is a
>
> complex
>
> program.
>
> Don't expect t learn it in 2 days (or even 2 years).  I have used it
>
> for 30 years and still look at the manual occasionally.
>
>
> DMM3. RTFM (read the fine manual).  Not literally "read", but BROWSE
>
> it for X's sake to get the lay of the land.
>
>
> DMM4.  Browse the archives to see if anything remotely similar has
>
> been asked in say the past 20 years?
>
> OOPS the archives have been truncated to 1996 so 16 years.
>
>
>
>      /
>
>
>
>        ------
>
> ADDED 9/12: After the fact.
>
>
> DMM5.  If you are attempting to perform some sort of unnatural act
>
> with strange data please provide some sort of reasonable
>
> representation of the existing structure of the data and an example
>
> of what you wish to achieve as a result of the data transformation.
>
> Rather than attempting to describe the data in human language provide
>
> an actual snippet or mock up of the relevant fields and their role in
>
> the problem.
>
>
> DMM6.  If in the rare event you should receive a cryptic error
>
> message or warning from the Oracle of Cthulhu
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos  disguised as coming from
>
> your SPSS session PLEASE provide the exact error message or warning
>
> so you at least will have some hope of receiving a reply.
>
>
> DMM7.  If you are attempting to have people here do your homework you
>
> would be advised to disguise that fact and not quote the homework
>
> question verbatim.  Opacity in such matters is critical.
>
>
> eg Obvious homework question(s):
>
> 1.  If a variable is distributed normally with mean 0 and SD 1.  What
>
> is the probability that the mean of 10 numbers drawn from this
>
> distribution exceeds 1.9645 .
>
>
> 2. What is the probability the mean of sample size 20 lies between -2
>
> and 1.98.
>
>
> PLONK!!!
>
>
> (opacity added)
>
> I am new to this list and was wondering how one computed
>
> probabilities for a normal distribution in SPSS.
>
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BUMP! It's been 2 months!
David Marso wrote
Modified from:
http://word.mvps.org/findhelp/posting.htm

<Edited 09/12/2012>

Original in regular font my mods in italic and bold.
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1. The first thing to remember is that nobody is paid to answer questions in the forums. Despite the FUBAR economy most have a day job doing something else. Those who answer do so because they enjoy it or are incorrigible masochists. If you respect that, and try to make it easy and enjoyable or painful for people to answer you, then all the other tips here will seem obvious.
<SNIP>  Please make sure you mention which version of SPSS you are using when you put a question (it's often impossible to answer your question if you don't). It also helps if you mention which operating system you are using. OTOH:  My solutions work for all versions.
Please do not send people direct emails unless they ask for them: it's very rude. And you probably won't get an answer: With ??-million users of SPSS out there, no-one would live long enough to answer all the emails that would result if each SPSS user sent them just one email in their whole lifetime.  In fact I would reply with a 5M file of my cat in drag to every one of them.

2.    Please do not send attachments unless we request them. We normally do not need an attachment to answer your question: a reasonably concise thorough well thought out description is sufficient. <SNIP>

3.    Check to see which forum is most relevant to your problem. Read the questions and answers, and see if they are on a topic similar to your question. It may even be that your question has already been asked and answered recently! If you have made an honest effort to find an appropriate forum, people will do their best to answer you, even if the question is at the edge of the main subject area of the forum.
Well, the only other forum other than the IBM/SPSS forums is the SPAM raped google forum (good luck with that.
4 omitted...(just stuff about not posting to GT 1 forum).

5.    Say which version of SPSS god forbid PASW snicker... you are using. .. <SNIP> see 1.
EXCEPT "we can't see your screen from here..." and eSPSS and InterNeTelepathy are in short supply

 6.   Describe your problem as fully (and concisely -THAT IS NOT PARADOXICAL-) as possible, including where appropriate what you have tried so far when attempting to fix it. This is NOT the place to try to be brief: that's for Twitter, and this is not Twitter!  Where possible, use the terms used within SPSS itself to describe what is happening. Describe what you are trying to achieve overall. Sometimes people concentrate so hard on a particular way of solving the problem, that they don't notice that they are using a hammer to drive screws into the wall!
In other words:  Please take at least as much time formulating and posting as you expect others to take to resolve your issue.  My personal limit on time commitment is about 3-5 minutes!!  If it is going to take me longer then it will take you hours and you should pay me my 70 per hour rate for my consulting time. .

7.    Make the message subject heading descriptive of the question. Saying “SPSS problem” or “Help!!!” isn't going to catch the eye of somebody who might know the answer. “Can't install RCI device in ether orifice” or “Error message when running GLM with 500 variables” is much more informative and useful.
In fact I purposely ignore these types of questions even if I know the answer.


8.    Use your real name, or at least something that looks like a real name. It makes us feel a little stupid to start a reply by saying "Hi MadDog". The forums will automatically anonymise your email: we cannot respond to you by email because we do not have your email address (Sure we do.. Are you paranoid yet?).  Unless your name is Black Rock City Hottie then see 8.

 9.   If nobody answers your question, it is probably because nobody knows the answer. Of course we do.  we are just sadists and holding out on you because the question is hazier than the brown acid at Woodstock .
9b. There is no guarantee that anyone will know the answer, though most questions do get answered. There is also no guarantee regarding response times – an answer will appear when somebody who knows the answer chances to read the question. Putting “URGENT” into a message header will make no difference as to when that will happen.
Putting URGENT in the header is a great way to be completely ignored!


 10.    If your English is not very good, don't worry – nobody is going to laugh at you (but you will not get an answer in yout mother tongue so you had best be able to read English or use Babblefish) . Do your best to explain your problem in English, but also include your question in your native language: chances are one of us can read it. If we have trouble understanding something, we will ask you to explain again (or maybe not).

10a.    On the other hand, if English is your mother tongue, please try to remember to run the spellchecker before posting – and especially, try to ensure there are no errors in your subject line. In a long thread, especially, these can become irritating for other people. ABOVE ALL DON'T SPEAK IN FREAKING IM!!! and don't use all CAPS it is considered *SHOUTING* and is really freaking annoying!!!!!!!

11.    If you have a follow-up question, or a contribution to make to an answer post it back to the forum! Many people may be interested in the additional information. Also, if the person answering your question is not entirely sure about the answer, post back saying whether it worked or not. That helps for when the question comes up again. Forums work well because everybody can see all the information.
 <SNIP MVP /M$ pay to play spiel>
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AND!!!!
DMM1.  Don't hijack previous threads with an OT/different topic.  There is a NEW THREAD option and replying to a "how do I mutilate my data using the SPSS ginzu option" with a "My table isn't coming out right" or "Python sucks/Macros rule" is bound to bury your question in the bowels of something completely irrelevant to your cause and the right people won't see it.  Personally I use Nabble to view this group and Changed subject lines end up threaded under the original topic.

DMM2.  Don't expect people to do your thinking and your job for you.  If you have been struggling to solve a problem for days or weeks maybe you should hire a competent consultant or find training.  Ultimately it may save you money and a lot of hair.  SPSS is a complex program.  Don't expect t learn it in 2 days (or even 2 years).  I have used it for 30 years and still look at the manual occasionally.

DMM3. RTFM (read the fine manual).  Not literally "read", but BROWSE it for X's sake to get the lay of the land.

DMM4.  Browse the archives to see if anything remotely similar has been asked in say the past 20 years?
OOPS the archives have been truncated to 1996 so 16 years.

------
ADDED 9/12: After the fact.

DMM5.  If you are attempting to perform some sort of unnatural act with strange data please provide some sort of reasonable representation of the existing structure of the data and an example of what you wish to achieve as a result of the data transformation.  Rather than attempting to describe the data in human language provide an actual snippet or mock up of the relevant fields and their role in the problem.

DMM6.  If in the rare event you should receive a cryptic error message or warning from the Oracle of Cthulhu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos disguised as coming from your SPSS session PLEASE provide the exact error message or warning so you at least will have some hope of receiving a reply.

DMM7.  If you are attempting to have people here do your homework you would be advised to disguise that fact and not quote the homework question verbatim.  Opacity in such matters is critical.

eg Obvious homework question(s):
1.  If a variable is distributed normally with mean 0 and SD 1.  What is the probability that the mean of 10 numbers drawn from this distribution exceeds 1.9645 .

2. What is the probability the mean of sample size 20 lies between -2 and 1.98.

PLONK!!!

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I am new to this list and was wondering how one computed probabilities for a normal distribution in SPSS.
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EDITED 23-APR-2015 (to fix some bad grammar)

For those not reading via Nabble, the tips (and follow-up posts) can be viewed here:

http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Tips-on-Posting-questions-to-the-SPSS-list-td5715038.html

David Marso wrote
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Great ideas!

The idea about describing why we want to do something is very needed.

Could I suggest that people who want to post be sure to <paste> their syntax rather than the GUI steps they used?  And that they use auto indent?

Could I also suggest the caps are okay for syntax.
e.g., "See the AGGREGATE procedure".


Also since I have a soapbox about using vertical alignment is there a way to put a button on the edit box for messages that lets the person posting use fixed font for syntax?
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Here are some more general tips on "getting answers".  

    https://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html


David Marso wrote
Modified from:
http://word.mvps.org/findhelp/posting.htm

<Edited 09/12/2012>

Original in regular font my mods in italic and bold.
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1. The first thing to remember is that nobody is paid to answer questions in the forums. Despite the FUBAR economy most have a day job doing something else. Those who answer do so because they enjoy it or are incorrigible masochists. If you respect that, and try to make it easy and enjoyable or painful for people to answer you, then all the other tips here will seem obvious.
<SNIP>  Please make sure you mention which version of SPSS you are using when you put a question (it's often impossible to answer your question if you don't). It also helps if you mention which operating system you are using. OTOH:  My solutions work for all versions.
Please do not send people direct emails unless they ask for them: it's very rude. And you probably won't get an answer: With ??-million users of SPSS out there, no-one would live long enough to answer all the emails that would result if each SPSS user sent them just one email in their whole lifetime.  In fact I would reply with a 5M file of my cat in drag to every one of them.

2.    Please do not send attachments unless we request them. We normally do not need an attachment to answer your question: a reasonably concise thorough well thought out description is sufficient. <SNIP>

3.    Check to see which forum is most relevant to your problem. Read the questions and answers, and see if they are on a topic similar to your question. It may even be that your question has already been asked and answered recently! If you have made an honest effort to find an appropriate forum, people will do their best to answer you, even if the question is at the edge of the main subject area of the forum.
Well, the only other forum other than the IBM/SPSS forums is the SPAM raped google forum (good luck with that.
4 omitted...(just stuff about not posting to GT 1 forum).

5.    Say which version of SPSS god forbid PASW snicker... you are using. .. <SNIP> see 1.
EXCEPT "we can't see your screen from here..." and eSPSS and InterNeTelepathy are in short supply

 6.   Describe your problem as fully (and concisely -THAT IS NOT PARADOXICAL-) as possible, including where appropriate what you have tried so far when attempting to fix it. This is NOT the place to try to be brief: that's for Twitter, and this is not Twitter!  Where possible, use the terms used within SPSS itself to describe what is happening. Describe what you are trying to achieve overall. Sometimes people concentrate so hard on a particular way of solving the problem, that they don't notice that they are using a hammer to drive screws into the wall!
In other words:  Please take at least as much time formulating and posting as you expect others to take to resolve your issue.  My personal limit on time commitment is about 3-5 minutes!!  If it is going to take me longer then it will take you hours and you should pay me my 70 per hour rate for my consulting time. .

7.    Make the message subject heading descriptive of the question. Saying “SPSS problem” or “Help!!!” isn't going to catch the eye of somebody who might know the answer. “Can't install RCI device in ether orifice” or “Error message when running GLM with 500 variables” is much more informative and useful.
In fact I purposely ignore these types of questions even if I know the answer.


8.    Use your real name, or at least something that looks like a real name. It makes us feel a little stupid to start a reply by saying "Hi MadDog". The forums will automatically anonymise your email: we cannot respond to you by email because we do not have your email address (Sure we do.. Are you paranoid yet?).  Unless your name is Black Rock City Hottie then see 8.

 9.   If nobody answers your question, it is probably because nobody knows the answer. Of course we do.  we are just sadists and holding out on you because the question is hazier than the brown acid at Woodstock .
9b. There is no guarantee that anyone will know the answer, though most questions do get answered. There is also no guarantee regarding response times – an answer will appear when somebody who knows the answer chances to read the question. Putting “URGENT” into a message header will make no difference as to when that will happen.
Putting URGENT in the header is a great way to be completely ignored!


 10.    If your English is not very good, don't worry – nobody is going to laugh at you (but you will not get an answer in yout mother tongue so you had best be able to read English or use Babblefish) . Do your best to explain your problem in English, but also include your question in your native language: chances are one of us can read it. If we have trouble understanding something, we will ask you to explain again (or maybe not).

10a.    On the other hand, if English is your mother tongue, please try to remember to run the spellchecker before posting – and especially, try to ensure there are no errors in your subject line. In a long thread, especially, these can become irritating for other people. ABOVE ALL DON'T SPEAK IN FREAKING IM!!! and don't use all CAPS it is considered *SHOUTING* and is really freaking annoying!!!!!!!

11.    If you have a follow-up question, or a contribution to make to an answer post it back to the forum! Many people may be interested in the additional information. Also, if the person answering your question is not entirely sure about the answer, post back saying whether it worked or not. That helps for when the question comes up again. Forums work well because everybody can see all the information.
 <SNIP MVP /M$ pay to play spiel>
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AND!!!!
DMM1.  Don't hijack previous threads with an OT/different topic.  There is a NEW THREAD option and replying to a "how do I mutilate my data using the SPSS ginzu option" with a "My table isn't coming out right" or "Python sucks/Macros rule" is bound to bury your question in the bowels of something completely irrelevant to your cause and the right people won't see it.  Personally I use Nabble to view this group and Changed subject lines end up threaded under the original topic.

DMM2.  Don't expect people to do your thinking and your job for you.  If you have been struggling to solve a problem for days or weeks maybe you should hire a competent consultant or find training.  Ultimately it may save you money and a lot of hair.  SPSS is a complex program.  Don't expect t learn it in 2 days (or even 2 years).  I have used it for 30 years and still look at the manual occasionally.

DMM3. RTFM (read the fine manual).  Not literally "read", but BROWSE it for X's sake to get the lay of the land.

DMM4.  Browse the archives to see if anything remotely similar has been asked in say the past 20 years?
OOPS the archives have been truncated to 1996 so 16 years.

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ADDED 9/12: After the fact.

DMM5.  If you are attempting to perform some sort of unnatural act with strange data please provide some sort of reasonable representation of the existing structure of the data and an example of what you wish to achieve as a result of the data transformation.  Rather than attempting to describe the data in human language provide an actual snippet or mock up of the relevant fields and their role in the problem.

DMM6.  If in the rare event you should receive a cryptic error message or warning from the Oracle of Cthulhu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cthulhu_Mythos disguised as coming from your SPSS session PLEASE provide the exact error message or warning so you at least will have some hope of receiving a reply.

DMM7.  If you are attempting to have people here do your homework you would be advised to disguise that fact and not quote the homework question verbatim.  Opacity in such matters is critical.

eg Obvious homework question(s):
1.  If a variable is distributed normally with mean 0 and SD 1.  What is the probability that the mean of 10 numbers drawn from this distribution exceeds 1.9645 .

2. What is the probability the mean of sample size 20 lies between -2 and 1.98.

PLONK!!!

(opacity added)
I am new to this list and was wondering how one computed probabilities for a normal distribution in SPSS.
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when posting a message (in Nabble) you can press the button 'More' to get raw text inserted


  which seems to be monospaced
  and more suited for SYNTAX code

I also prefer astute concise quoting, to keep readability or it may become TLTR(?)
/PR

Art Kendall wrote
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Also since I have a soapbox about using vertical alignment is there a way to put a button on the edit box for messages that lets the person posting use fixed font for syntax?
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On Sun, May 24, 2015 8:20 PM CEST Bruce Weaver wrote:

>Here are some more general tips on "getting answers".  
>
> >https://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html

This is also a useful website: http://sscce.org

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Thanks that should be useful.

IF the moderator collapses all these posts into something more readable, That might be a useful hint about raw text for syntax.
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Bruce Weaver
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Jignesh alerted me to another site with tips on how to ask a good question.  Here it is:

   http://stackoverflow.com/help/how-to-ask


Albert-Jan Roskam-2 wrote
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On Sun, May 24, 2015 8:20 PM CEST Bruce Weaver wrote:

>Here are some more general tips on "getting answers".  
>
> >https://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html

This is also a useful website: http://sscce.org

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Bruce Weaver
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But as Gene Maguin recently pointed out to me, using raw text tags in Nabble is making things invisible in the UGA archive for the mailing list.  See the following thread for details:

http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/OT-quot-raw-text-quot-tags-in-Nabble-are-making-text-disappear-in-the-UGA-archive-td5729959.html

HTH.


PRogman wrote
when posting a message (in Nabble) you can press the button 'More' to get raw text inserted


  which seems to be monospaced
  and more suited for SYNTAX code

I also prefer astute concise quoting, to keep readability or it may become TLTR(?)
/PR

Art Kendall wrote
...
Also since I have a soapbox about using vertical alignment is there a way to put a button on the edit box for messages that lets the person posting use fixed font for syntax?
...
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