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SPSS slow opening

J.D. Haltigan
This may be of interest to those of us who have discussed the unacceptably
slow speed of SPSS opening (first time) on basically any system, including
ones with plenty of horsepower.

<a SPSS Slow</a>
<https://twitter.com/daveschester/status/1102676315826728966>  



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Re: SPSS slow opening

John F Hall
I just started SPSS 24 from scratch (Win7 Pro: 64-bit; i7)
It took exactly 60 seconds.  
Closed SPSS.
Double-clicked on a 1.2 gb *.sav file (102900 cases and 11590 variables)
It opened in 8 seconds.
Analysis is ridiculously fast: what have they done to it?

John F Hall
[Retired academic survey researcher]
IBM-SPSS Academic Author 9900074
(Asus Elite, Win 7 Pro, 64-bit, i7)

Email:             [hidden email]
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ife.html

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Subject: SPSS slow opening

This may be of interest to those of us who have discussed the unacceptably
slow speed of SPSS opening (first time) on basically any system, including
ones with plenty of horsepower.

<a SPSS Slow</a>
<https://twitter.com/daveschester/status/1102676315826728966>  



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Re: SPSS slow opening

David Marso
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J.D. That twitter thread is a truckload of bollocks.
My first start from click to UI presentation was a mere 44 seconds.
Exit and restart 8 seconds.  I don't need to go fetch coffee.
I suspect the people posting on that thread have other systemic disorders.
Go learn R.
ROFLMFAO.
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> This may be of interest to those of us who have discussed the unacceptably
> slow speed of SPSS opening (first time) on basically any system, including
> ones with plenty of horsepower.

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Re: SPSS slow opening

J.D. Haltigan
What are your system specs and what version of SPSS are you using.

Speaking generally, SPSS has always opened slow relative to Mplus/R (haven't
used others). I find the thread largely consistent with my own observations
and annoyances. And I do regularly use R and Mplus along with SPSS so, FWIW.



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Re: SPSS slow opening

Chris Stride
I agree JD, I likewise use SPSS, Mplus and R in roughly equal
proportions. SPSS 25 is the worst of any editions of any of those 3
packages for opening speed. Takes 3-5 minutes on my fairly powerful
laptop. Mplus is a split second. R seems to vary, but generally less
than a minute.


On 06/03/2019 12:32, J.D. Haltigan wrote:

> What are your system specs and what version of SPSS are you using.
>
> Speaking generally, SPSS has always opened slow relative to Mplus/R (haven't
> used others). I find the thread largely consistent with my own observations
> and annoyances. And I do regularly use R and Mplus along with SPSS so, FWIW.
>
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bdates

I just tested mine on my laptop. 39 seconds from click to UI. It was 40 seconds for Excel to open with the RealStats extension. At the University of Michigan using AppsAnywhere, it's 41 seconds for SPSS. So I would echo David. There must be some systemic underpinnings to the difficulty.


Brian

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> on behalf of Dr Chris Stride <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2019 7:41:54 AM
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Subject: Re: SPSS slow opening
 
I agree JD, I likewise use SPSS, Mplus and R in roughly equal
proportions. SPSS 25 is the worst of any editions of any of those 3
packages for opening speed. Takes 3-5 minutes on my fairly powerful
laptop. Mplus is a split second. R seems to vary, but generally less
than a minute.


On 06/03/2019 12:32, J.D. Haltigan wrote:
> What are your system specs and what version of SPSS are you using.
>
> Speaking generally, SPSS has always opened slow relative to Mplus/R (haven't
> used others). I find the thread largely consistent with my own observations
> and annoyances. And I do regularly use R and Mplus along with SPSS so, FWIW.
>
>
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Re: SPSS slow opening

David Marso
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I am running ver 22 on a modest laptop running 64 bit Win10.
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J.D. Haltigan wrote

> What are your system specs and what version of SPSS are you using.
>
> Speaking generally, SPSS has always opened slow relative to Mplus/R
> (haven't
> used others). I find the thread largely consistent with my own
> observations
> and annoyances. And I do regularly use R and Mplus along with SPSS so,
> FWIW.
>
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Re: SPSS slow opening

bdates

I'm running ver 25 with fix pack 2, 64 bit i7 Win7, on a rebuilt Lenovo W510.


Brian

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I am running ver 22 on a modest laptop running 64 bit Win10.
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J.D. Haltigan wrote
> What are your system specs and what version of SPSS are you using.
>
> Speaking generally, SPSS has always opened slow relative to Mplus/R
> (haven't
> used others). I find the thread largely consistent with my own
> observations
> and annoyances. And I do regularly use R and Mplus along with SPSS so,
> FWIW.
>
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Re: SPSS slow opening

Jon Peck
There is one thing you can do that might speed up the startup.  By default, Statistics starts up a process for the help system as well as the main processes.  You can stop this as follows.
Create environment variable "SpssLoadHelpOnStartup" and set it to anything other than 1 or [yY][eE][sS]
windows: set SpssLoadHelpOnStartup=no
mac: SpssLoadHelpOnStartup=no ; export SpssLoadHelpOnStartup 

If you later access the help, the process will be started at that time.  You can, of couse, do this setting (on Windows) via the Control Panel so that it is always in effect.
The exact way to access environment variables varies across Windows versions, but on Win 10, right click on Start, choose System, and type environment in the search box.  It can be either a system or user variable.

I don't know how much time this will save, but it used to be significant enough that this suppression mechanism was created.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:51 AM Dates, Brian <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'm running ver 25 with fix pack 2, 64 bit i7 Win7, on a rebuilt Lenovo W510.


Brian

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I am running ver 22 on a modest laptop running 64 bit Win10.
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J.D. Haltigan wrote
> What are your system specs and what version of SPSS are you using.
>
> Speaking generally, SPSS has always opened slow relative to Mplus/R
> (haven't
> used others). I find the thread largely consistent with my own
> observations
> and annoyances. And I do regularly use R and Mplus along with SPSS so,
> FWIW.
>
>
>
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Re: SPSS slow opening

Jeff A
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I believe that the loading speed has much more to do with speed of the hard
drive than the processor or other computer hardware, since loading new
programs is about reading code from the drive and placing it into RAM
memory, but not doing computations with that code. The speed of the
analysis, however, should be about the speed of the processor, speed/amount
of the memory, and the way that the analysis software handles the actual
data (e.g., takes the data from the hard drive for each analysis or places
the data into the much faster RAM memory). If I remember and understand
correctly, Stata does fast analyses since it can place all analysis data
into memory while most other programs take larger data sets from the hard
drive, which is much slower. Stata can potentially fail to work, however, if
it's on a 32 bit computer without very large amounts of memory and one tries
to work with an extremely large dataset (e.g., the Chinese census), since 32
bit computers have much lower limits to how much memory they can deal with.

...but back to the main point, I'm just now noticing what the rest of you
were discussing after re-installing my operating system on the same W10 i5
computer and re-installing v.25. The old installation was on a 3 hard drive
RAID 5 system with 3 fast solid-state drives (hard drive read speed should
be at least twice what is typical from a fast drive) while the new
installation is on a single hard drive system. I didn't notice SPSS's load
speed to be slow at all under my old RAID system, but now I understand
everyone's complaint when I'm using only a single drive. My load speed was
around 1 minute with the single drive, while I never noticed anything slow
before with the RAID.  I might just have to transfer the OS and my programs
back to the much faster hard drive system.

Some of the newer computers are now using newer hard drive technology with
what's called PCIe hard drives, which are much faster than even the solid
state drives.

So if you want faster load speed,s the first thing to consider is a new,
more modern solid state hard drive (SSD) to replace an older rotating hard
drive in an existing computer (unless you already have one), or going with a
newer computer with even more modern hard drive technology. And if you want
even more speed, look into adding a second SSD hard drive into what's called
a RAID 0 system, which spreads data onto two (or more) hard drives in a way
that almost doubles the read speed (and thus load times) from the hard
drive(s). If you want to go more elaborate, look into a 3 drive RAID 5
system that will double your speeds while also permitting one of the drives
to fail without losing your data/system. ...or go really crazy with
something even faster by adding more drives. All of these later options are
much cheaper than buying a new machine.

Best,

Jeff




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Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2019 9:50 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS slow opening

I just started SPSS 24 from scratch (Win7 Pro: 64-bit; i7) It took exactly
60 seconds.  
Closed SPSS.
Double-clicked on a 1.2 gb *.sav file (102900 cases and 11590 variables) It
opened in 8 seconds.
Analysis is ridiculously fast: what have they done to it?

John F Hall
[Retired academic survey researcher]
IBM-SPSS Academic Author 9900074
(Asus Elite, Win 7 Pro, 64-bit, i7)

Email:             [hidden email]
Website:          http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/ 
SPSS course:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/1-survey-analysis-workshop-spss.html
Research:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/3-subjective-social-indicators-quality-of-l
ife.html

-----Original Message-----
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Haltigan
Sent: 06 March 2019 07:01
To: [hidden email]
Subject: SPSS slow opening

This may be of interest to those of us who have discussed the unacceptably
slow speed of SPSS opening (first time) on basically any system, including
ones with plenty of horsepower.

<a SPSS Slow</a>
<https://twitter.com/daveschester/status/1102676315826728966>  



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Jon Peck
The behavior of the underlying OS complicates this analysis.  Windows will often cache program dlls and even data in memory if that memory is not needed by other processes.  That is why reloading Statistics not too long after a previous session is much faster than the first time.  And if the OS has cached the data in memory, running through it can be almost as fast as just storing the data in memory.  However, this depends on how smart the OS cache management is.  If it just uses a LRU (least recently used) algorithm to discard data from memory when needed, it is exactly backwards, since the most recently used  data will be the farthest away from reuse in a sequential pass.  Of course, an SSD can help greatly, as Jeff pointed out.

It may be advantageous in some usage scenarios to have Windows preload Statistics when Windows boots.  On Windows 10, you can do this as Microsoft explains here.

Data compression also trades off the speed of transferring data into memory by reducing the volume at the expensive of cpu cycles to decompress (and compress) data.  If you compare zsav format with sav, you will often see a large reduction in file size but not necessarily an increase in processing speed.  And even more so if you used uncompressed sav's (but nobody does that anymore).  The virtual active file (VAF) structure that SPSS uses for data interacts with data transformations to minimize file rewriting that would otherwise be required to store transformed data prior to a final save.

Also, some procedures in Statistics are multithreaded, so they can use multiple cpus simultaneously if they are available.  You can study all this through the Task Manager and Resource Manager tools on Windows.  There is a setting for cpus in Edit > Options > General, but the automatic setting is usually best.

Of course, pulling data from a database or non-SPSS format adds external source overhead.  The CACHE command can help with that if running multiple procedures.

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 4:28 PM Jeff A <[hidden email]> wrote:
I believe that the loading speed has much more to do with speed of the hard
drive than the processor or other computer hardware, since loading new
programs is about reading code from the drive and placing it into RAM
memory, but not doing computations with that code. The speed of the
analysis, however, should be about the speed of the processor, speed/amount
of the memory, and the way that the analysis software handles the actual
data (e.g., takes the data from the hard drive for each analysis or places
the data into the much faster RAM memory). If I remember and understand
correctly, Stata does fast analyses since it can place all analysis data
into memory while most other programs take larger data sets from the hard
drive, which is much slower. Stata can potentially fail to work, however, if
it's on a 32 bit computer without very large amounts of memory and one tries
to work with an extremely large dataset (e.g., the Chinese census), since 32
bit computers have much lower limits to how much memory they can deal with.

...but back to the main point, I'm just now noticing what the rest of you
were discussing after re-installing my operating system on the same W10 i5
computer and re-installing v.25. The old installation was on a 3 hard drive
RAID 5 system with 3 fast solid-state drives (hard drive read speed should
be at least twice what is typical from a fast drive) while the new
installation is on a single hard drive system. I didn't notice SPSS's load
speed to be slow at all under my old RAID system, but now I understand
everyone's complaint when I'm using only a single drive. My load speed was
around 1 minute with the single drive, while I never noticed anything slow
before with the RAID.  I might just have to transfer the OS and my programs
back to the much faster hard drive system.

Some of the newer computers are now using newer hard drive technology with
what's called PCIe hard drives, which are much faster than even the solid
state drives.

So if you want faster load speed,s the first thing to consider is a new,
more modern solid state hard drive (SSD) to replace an older rotating hard
drive in an existing computer (unless you already have one), or going with a
newer computer with even more modern hard drive technology. And if you want
even more speed, look into adding a second SSD hard drive into what's called
a RAID 0 system, which spreads data onto two (or more) hard drives in a way
that almost doubles the read speed (and thus load times) from the hard
drive(s). If you want to go more elaborate, look into a 3 drive RAID 5
system that will double your speeds while also permitting one of the drives
to fail without losing your data/system. ...or go really crazy with
something even faster by adding more drives. All of these later options are
much cheaper than buying a new machine.

Best,

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of John F
Hall
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2019 9:50 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS slow opening

I just started SPSS 24 from scratch (Win7 Pro: 64-bit; i7) It took exactly
60 seconds. 
Closed SPSS.
Double-clicked on a 1.2 gb *.sav file (102900 cases and 11590 variables) It
opened in 8 seconds.
Analysis is ridiculously fast: what have they done to it?

John F Hall
[Retired academic survey researcher]
IBM-SPSS Academic Author 9900074
(Asus Elite, Win 7 Pro, 64-bit, i7)

Email:             [hidden email]
Website:          http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/
SPSS course:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/1-survey-analysis-workshop-spss.html
Research:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/3-subjective-social-indicators-quality-of-l
ife.html


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Subject: SPSS slow opening

This may be of interest to those of us who have discussed the unacceptably
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ones with plenty of horsepower.

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<https://twitter.com/daveschester/status/1102676315826728966



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Re: SPSS slow opening

Timothy Hennigar-2

Well, I have most of the latest hardware (ok it’s a year or so old now) with NVMe M.2 drives and all the like - I can tell you for me it makes no difference - I start and stop the program

so many times a day I lose track - and the time it takes to open varies - from a few seconds to 1 minute or 2 - I don't know why such variance .. I'd live with it BUT FOR ONE THING -

How long have they touted the wonderfulness of multi-tasking ... the problem here is that DANG program LOCKS the computer from doing anything else while it starts - so you just have to

sit there and wait.  Let's do some math -- I wait say an average 5 mins a day = 0.666 hrs * 6 days a week * 52 weeks a year = more than $2,500  a year - just wasted – and that’s conservative.

 

 

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From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Jon Peck
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 7:12 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS slow opening

 

The behavior of the underlying OS complicates this analysis.  Windows will often cache program dlls and even data in memory if that memory is not needed by other processes.  That is why reloading Statistics not too long after a previous session is much faster than the first time.  And if the OS has cached the data in memory, running through it can be almost as fast as just storing the data in memory.  However, this depends on how smart the OS cache management is.  If it just uses a LRU (least recently used) algorithm to discard data from memory when needed, it is exactly backwards, since the most recently used  data will be the farthest away from reuse in a sequential pass.  Of course, an SSD can help greatly, as Jeff pointed out.

 

It may be advantageous in some usage scenarios to have Windows preload Statistics when Windows boots.  On Windows 10, you can do this as Microsoft explains here.

 

Data compression also trades off the speed of transferring data into memory by reducing the volume at the expensive of cpu cycles to decompress (and compress) data.  If you compare zsav format with sav, you will often see a large reduction in file size but not necessarily an increase in processing speed.  And even more so if you used uncompressed sav's (but nobody does that anymore).  The virtual active file (VAF) structure that SPSS uses for data interacts with data transformations to minimize file rewriting that would otherwise be required to store transformed data prior to a final save.

 

Also, some procedures in Statistics are multithreaded, so they can use multiple cpus simultaneously if they are available.  You can study all this through the Task Manager and Resource Manager tools on Windows.  There is a setting for cpus in Edit > Options > General, but the automatic setting is usually best.

 

Of course, pulling data from a database or non-SPSS format adds external source overhead.  The CACHE command can help with that if running multiple procedures.

 

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 4:28 PM Jeff A <[hidden email]> wrote:

I believe that the loading speed has much more to do with speed of the hard
drive than the processor or other computer hardware, since loading new
programs is about reading code from the drive and placing it into RAM
memory, but not doing computations with that code. The speed of the
analysis, however, should be about the speed of the processor, speed/amount
of the memory, and the way that the analysis software handles the actual
data (e.g., takes the data from the hard drive for each analysis or places
the data into the much faster RAM memory). If I remember and understand
correctly, Stata does fast analyses since it can place all analysis data
into memory while most other programs take larger data sets from the hard
drive, which is much slower. Stata can potentially fail to work, however, if
it's on a 32 bit computer without very large amounts of memory and one tries
to work with an extremely large dataset (e.g., the Chinese census), since 32
bit computers have much lower limits to how much memory they can deal with.

...but back to the main point, I'm just now noticing what the rest of you
were discussing after re-installing my operating system on the same W10 i5
computer and re-installing v.25. The old installation was on a 3 hard drive
RAID 5 system with 3 fast solid-state drives (hard drive read speed should
be at least twice what is typical from a fast drive) while the new
installation is on a single hard drive system. I didn't notice SPSS's load
speed to be slow at all under my old RAID system, but now I understand
everyone's complaint when I'm using only a single drive. My load speed was
around 1 minute with the single drive, while I never noticed anything slow
before with the RAID.  I might just have to transfer the OS and my programs
back to the much faster hard drive system.

Some of the newer computers are now using newer hard drive technology with
what's called PCIe hard drives, which are much faster than even the solid
state drives.

So if you want faster load speed,s the first thing to consider is a new,
more modern solid state hard drive (SSD) to replace an older rotating hard
drive in an existing computer (unless you already have one), or going with a
newer computer with even more modern hard drive technology. And if you want
even more speed, look into adding a second SSD hard drive into what's called
a RAID 0 system, which spreads data onto two (or more) hard drives in a way
that almost doubles the read speed (and thus load times) from the hard
drive(s). If you want to go more elaborate, look into a 3 drive RAID 5
system that will double your speeds while also permitting one of the drives
to fail without losing your data/system. ...or go really crazy with
something even faster by adding more drives. All of these later options are
much cheaper than buying a new machine.

Best,

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of John F
Hall
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2019 9:50 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS slow opening

I just started SPSS 24 from scratch (Win7 Pro: 64-bit; i7) It took exactly
60 seconds. 
Closed SPSS.
Double-clicked on a 1.2 gb *.sav file (102900 cases and 11590 variables) It
opened in 8 seconds.
Analysis is ridiculously fast: what have they done to it?

John F Hall
[Retired academic survey researcher]
IBM-SPSS Academic Author 9900074
(Asus Elite, Win 7 Pro, 64-bit, i7)

Email:             [hidden email]
Website:          http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/
SPSS course:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/1-survey-analysis-workshop-spss.html
Research:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/3-subjective-social-indicators-quality-of-l
ife.html


-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of J.D.
Haltigan
Sent: 06 March 2019 07:01
To: [hidden email]
Subject: SPSS slow opening

This may be of interest to those of us who have discussed the unacceptably
slow speed of SPSS opening (first time) on basically any system, including
ones with plenty of horsepower.

<a SPSS Slow</a>
<https://twitter.com/daveschester/status/1102676315826728966



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Re: SPSS slow opening

John F Hall

Why not just leave it on?

 

John F Hall  MA (Cantab) Dip Ed (Dunelm)

[Retired academic survey researcher]

 

Email:          [hidden email]

Website:     Journeys in Survey Research

Course:       Survey Analysis Workshop (SPSS)

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From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Timothy Hennigar
Sent: 20 March 2019 12:24
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS slow opening

 

Well, I have most of the latest hardware (ok it’s a year or so old now) with NVMe M.2 drives and all the like - I can tell you for me it makes no difference - I start and stop the program

so many times a day I lose track - and the time it takes to open varies - from a few seconds to 1 minute or 2 - I don't know why such variance .. I'd live with it BUT FOR ONE THING -

How long have they touted the wonderfulness of multi-tasking ... the problem here is that DANG program LOCKS the computer from doing anything else while it starts - so you just have to

sit there and wait.  Let's do some math -- I wait say an average 5 mins a day = 0.666 hrs * 6 days a week * 52 weeks a year = more than $2,500  a year - just wasted – and that’s conservative.

 

 

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From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Jon Peck
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 7:12 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS slow opening

 

The behavior of the underlying OS complicates this analysis.  Windows will often cache program dlls and even data in memory if that memory is not needed by other processes.  That is why reloading Statistics not too long after a previous session is much faster than the first time.  And if the OS has cached the data in memory, running through it can be almost as fast as just storing the data in memory.  However, this depends on how smart the OS cache management is.  If it just uses a LRU (least recently used) algorithm to discard data from memory when needed, it is exactly backwards, since the most recently used  data will be the farthest away from reuse in a sequential pass.  Of course, an SSD can help greatly, as Jeff pointed out.

 

It may be advantageous in some usage scenarios to have Windows preload Statistics when Windows boots.  On Windows 10, you can do this as Microsoft explains here.

 

Data compression also trades off the speed of transferring data into memory by reducing the volume at the expensive of cpu cycles to decompress (and compress) data.  If you compare zsav format with sav, you will often see a large reduction in file size but not necessarily an increase in processing speed.  And even more so if you used uncompressed sav's (but nobody does that anymore).  The virtual active file (VAF) structure that SPSS uses for data interacts with data transformations to minimize file rewriting that would otherwise be required to store transformed data prior to a final save.

 

Also, some procedures in Statistics are multithreaded, so they can use multiple cpus simultaneously if they are available.  You can study all this through the Task Manager and Resource Manager tools on Windows.  There is a setting for cpus in Edit > Options > General, but the automatic setting is usually best.

 

Of course, pulling data from a database or non-SPSS format adds external source overhead.  The CACHE command can help with that if running multiple procedures.

 

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 4:28 PM Jeff A <[hidden email]> wrote:

I believe that the loading speed has much more to do with speed of the hard
drive than the processor or other computer hardware, since loading new
programs is about reading code from the drive and placing it into RAM
memory, but not doing computations with that code. The speed of the
analysis, however, should be about the speed of the processor, speed/amount
of the memory, and the way that the analysis software handles the actual
data (e.g., takes the data from the hard drive for each analysis or places
the data into the much faster RAM memory). If I remember and understand
correctly, Stata does fast analyses since it can place all analysis data
into memory while most other programs take larger data sets from the hard
drive, which is much slower. Stata can potentially fail to work, however, if
it's on a 32 bit computer without very large amounts of memory and one tries
to work with an extremely large dataset (e.g., the Chinese census), since 32
bit computers have much lower limits to how much memory they can deal with.

...but back to the main point, I'm just now noticing what the rest of you
were discussing after re-installing my operating system on the same W10 i5
computer and re-installing v.25. The old installation was on a 3 hard drive
RAID 5 system with 3 fast solid-state drives (hard drive read speed should
be at least twice what is typical from a fast drive) while the new
installation is on a single hard drive system. I didn't notice SPSS's load
speed to be slow at all under my old RAID system, but now I understand
everyone's complaint when I'm using only a single drive. My load speed was
around 1 minute with the single drive, while I never noticed anything slow
before with the RAID.  I might just have to transfer the OS and my programs
back to the much faster hard drive system.

Some of the newer computers are now using newer hard drive technology with
what's called PCIe hard drives, which are much faster than even the solid
state drives.

So if you want faster load speed,s the first thing to consider is a new,
more modern solid state hard drive (SSD) to replace an older rotating hard
drive in an existing computer (unless you already have one), or going with a
newer computer with even more modern hard drive technology. And if you want
even more speed, look into adding a second SSD hard drive into what's called
a RAID 0 system, which spreads data onto two (or more) hard drives in a way
that almost doubles the read speed (and thus load times) from the hard
drive(s). If you want to go more elaborate, look into a 3 drive RAID 5
system that will double your speeds while also permitting one of the drives
to fail without losing your data/system. ...or go really crazy with
something even faster by adding more drives. All of these later options are
much cheaper than buying a new machine.

Best,

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of John F
Hall
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2019 9:50 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS slow opening

I just started SPSS 24 from scratch (Win7 Pro: 64-bit; i7) It took exactly
60 seconds. 
Closed SPSS.
Double-clicked on a 1.2 gb *.sav file (102900 cases and 11590 variables) It
opened in 8 seconds.
Analysis is ridiculously fast: what have they done to it?

John F Hall
[Retired academic survey researcher]
IBM-SPSS Academic Author 9900074
(Asus Elite, Win 7 Pro, 64-bit, i7)

Email:             [hidden email]
Website:          http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/
SPSS course:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/1-survey-analysis-workshop-spss.html
Research:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/3-subjective-social-indicators-quality-of-l
ife.html


-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of J.D.
Haltigan
Sent: 06 March 2019 07:01
To: [hidden email]
Subject: SPSS slow opening

This may be of interest to those of us who have discussed the unacceptably
slow speed of SPSS opening (first time) on basically any system, including
ones with plenty of horsepower.

<a SPSS Slow</a>
<https://twitter.com/daveschester/status/1102676315826728966



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Re: SPSS slow opening

Timothy Hennigar-2

Hmm.  I guess because I have been doing this long enough that there was a time when you just didn’t want anything else taking resources away from immediate task at hand.

The other thing is – there are clear bugs in the program related to releasing (or somehow dealing with) resources – that – I frankly I NEED to or WANT start fresh as often as I can.

 

 

 

 

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From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of John F Hall
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2019 7:44 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS slow opening

 

Why not just leave it on?

 

John F Hall  MA (Cantab) Dip Ed (Dunelm)

[Retired academic survey researcher]

 

Email:          [hidden email]

Website:     Journeys in Survey Research

Course:       Survey Analysis Workshop (SPSS)

Research:   Subjective Social Indicators (Quality of Life)

 

From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Timothy Hennigar
Sent: 20 March 2019 12:24
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS slow opening

 

Well, I have most of the latest hardware (ok it’s a year or so old now) with NVMe M.2 drives and all the like - I can tell you for me it makes no difference - I start and stop the program

so many times a day I lose track - and the time it takes to open varies - from a few seconds to 1 minute or 2 - I don't know why such variance .. I'd live with it BUT FOR ONE THING -

How long have they touted the wonderfulness of multi-tasking ... the problem here is that DANG program LOCKS the computer from doing anything else while it starts - so you just have to

sit there and wait.  Let's do some math -- I wait say an average 5 mins a day = 0.666 hrs * 6 days a week * 52 weeks a year = more than $2,500  a year - just wasted – and that’s conservative.

 

 

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From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Jon Peck
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 7:12 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS slow opening

 

The behavior of the underlying OS complicates this analysis.  Windows will often cache program dlls and even data in memory if that memory is not needed by other processes.  That is why reloading Statistics not too long after a previous session is much faster than the first time.  And if the OS has cached the data in memory, running through it can be almost as fast as just storing the data in memory.  However, this depends on how smart the OS cache management is.  If it just uses a LRU (least recently used) algorithm to discard data from memory when needed, it is exactly backwards, since the most recently used  data will be the farthest away from reuse in a sequential pass.  Of course, an SSD can help greatly, as Jeff pointed out.

 

It may be advantageous in some usage scenarios to have Windows preload Statistics when Windows boots.  On Windows 10, you can do this as Microsoft explains here.

 

Data compression also trades off the speed of transferring data into memory by reducing the volume at the expensive of cpu cycles to decompress (and compress) data.  If you compare zsav format with sav, you will often see a large reduction in file size but not necessarily an increase in processing speed.  And even more so if you used uncompressed sav's (but nobody does that anymore).  The virtual active file (VAF) structure that SPSS uses for data interacts with data transformations to minimize file rewriting that would otherwise be required to store transformed data prior to a final save.

 

Also, some procedures in Statistics are multithreaded, so they can use multiple cpus simultaneously if they are available.  You can study all this through the Task Manager and Resource Manager tools on Windows.  There is a setting for cpus in Edit > Options > General, but the automatic setting is usually best.

 

Of course, pulling data from a database or non-SPSS format adds external source overhead.  The CACHE command can help with that if running multiple procedures.

 

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 4:28 PM Jeff A <[hidden email]> wrote:

I believe that the loading speed has much more to do with speed of the hard
drive than the processor or other computer hardware, since loading new
programs is about reading code from the drive and placing it into RAM
memory, but not doing computations with that code. The speed of the
analysis, however, should be about the speed of the processor, speed/amount
of the memory, and the way that the analysis software handles the actual
data (e.g., takes the data from the hard drive for each analysis or places
the data into the much faster RAM memory). If I remember and understand
correctly, Stata does fast analyses since it can place all analysis data
into memory while most other programs take larger data sets from the hard
drive, which is much slower. Stata can potentially fail to work, however, if
it's on a 32 bit computer without very large amounts of memory and one tries
to work with an extremely large dataset (e.g., the Chinese census), since 32
bit computers have much lower limits to how much memory they can deal with.

...but back to the main point, I'm just now noticing what the rest of you
were discussing after re-installing my operating system on the same W10 i5
computer and re-installing v.25. The old installation was on a 3 hard drive
RAID 5 system with 3 fast solid-state drives (hard drive read speed should
be at least twice what is typical from a fast drive) while the new
installation is on a single hard drive system. I didn't notice SPSS's load
speed to be slow at all under my old RAID system, but now I understand
everyone's complaint when I'm using only a single drive. My load speed was
around 1 minute with the single drive, while I never noticed anything slow
before with the RAID.  I might just have to transfer the OS and my programs
back to the much faster hard drive system.

Some of the newer computers are now using newer hard drive technology with
what's called PCIe hard drives, which are much faster than even the solid
state drives.

So if you want faster load speed,s the first thing to consider is a new,
more modern solid state hard drive (SSD) to replace an older rotating hard
drive in an existing computer (unless you already have one), or going with a
newer computer with even more modern hard drive technology. And if you want
even more speed, look into adding a second SSD hard drive into what's called
a RAID 0 system, which spreads data onto two (or more) hard drives in a way
that almost doubles the read speed (and thus load times) from the hard
drive(s). If you want to go more elaborate, look into a 3 drive RAID 5
system that will double your speeds while also permitting one of the drives
to fail without losing your data/system. ...or go really crazy with
something even faster by adding more drives. All of these later options are
much cheaper than buying a new machine.

Best,

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of John F
Hall
Sent: Wednesday, March 6, 2019 9:50 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: SPSS slow opening

I just started SPSS 24 from scratch (Win7 Pro: 64-bit; i7) It took exactly
60 seconds. 
Closed SPSS.
Double-clicked on a 1.2 gb *.sav file (102900 cases and 11590 variables) It
opened in 8 seconds.
Analysis is ridiculously fast: what have they done to it?

John F Hall
[Retired academic survey researcher]
IBM-SPSS Academic Author 9900074
(Asus Elite, Win 7 Pro, 64-bit, i7)

Email:             [hidden email]
Website:          http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/
SPSS course:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/1-survey-analysis-workshop-spss.html
Research:
http://surveyresearch.weebly.com/3-subjective-social-indicators-quality-of-l
ife.html


-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of J.D.
Haltigan
Sent: 06 March 2019 07:01
To: [hidden email]
Subject: SPSS slow opening

This may be of interest to those of us who have discussed the unacceptably
slow speed of SPSS opening (first time) on basically any system, including
ones with plenty of horsepower.

<a SPSS Slow</a>
<https://twitter.com/daveschester/status/1102676315826728966



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Re: SPSS slow opening

J.D. Haltigan
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Everything Tim said well put. I would also surmise most folks using SPSS
aren't running RAID multi-drive systems although there will be substantial
variation in the quality of the 'average' system it is running on. I myself
have an SSD (single SSD) on a fairly strong i7 laptop system and it takes 1
minute + cold opening so I mostly just leave it on when using it, but I
don't prefer that course of action for several reasons.

In contrast, opening Mplus or R is like under 10 seconds, every single time.



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Re: SPSS slow opening

Nirit Avnimelech
I kind of ignored this thread, but all of a sudden my laptop started to do this, too!  Takes a few minutes to launch SPSS (even after a fresh restart), and while it's warming up, the computer is in frozen mode - can't do anything else.  Dell XPS 13, a few months old, i7, SSD, etc., ver. 25, no problems up to now with SPSS, no problems (yet?) with any other software.

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Everything Tim said well put. I would also surmise most folks using SPSS aren't running RAID multi-drive systems although there will be substantial variation in the quality of the 'average' system it is running on. I myself have an SSD (single SSD) on a fairly strong i7 laptop system and it takes 1 minute + cold opening so I mostly just leave it on when using it, but I don't prefer that course of action for several reasons.

In contrast, opening Mplus or R is like under 10 seconds, every single time.



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Re: SPSS slow opening

John F Hall
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Trouble is you can't teach Mplus or R to absolute data analysis beginners in
13-week semesters, including assessment.  I'm sticking to SPSS 24 and *.sav,
*.sps.

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Everything Tim said well put. I would also surmise most folks using SPSS
aren't running RAID multi-drive systems although there will be substantial
variation in the quality of the 'average' system it is running on. I myself
have an SSD (single SSD) on a fairly strong i7 laptop system and it takes 1
minute + cold opening so I mostly just leave it on when using it, but I
don't prefer that course of action for several reasons.

In contrast, opening Mplus or R is like under 10 seconds, every single time.




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Re: SPSS slow opening

Bruce Weaver
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No comment re Mplus.  But I think that many people *are* (no pun intended)
successfully using R for one-semester introductory stats courses.  Several
GUIs for R are available too.  Some of them are listed on this page:

  https://www.linuxlinks.com/guisforr/

I am only a very occasional useR, but I gather that for an introductory
course, R-Commander (by John Fox) is a nice choice.  

  https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/jfox/Misc/Rcmdr/



John F Hall wrote
> Trouble is you can't teach Mplus or R to absolute data analysis beginners
> in
> 13-week semesters, including assessment.  I'm sticking to SPSS 24 and
> *.sav,
> *.sps.
>
> John F Hall  MA (Cantab) Dip Ed (Dunelm)
> [Retired academic survey researcher]





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Re: SPSS slow opening

John F Hall
For basic stats, possibly.  For a course involving exploration,
comprehension and secondary analysis of a major data set (e.g NORC GSS,
European Social Survey, British Social Attitudes Survey) to answer
substantive and theoretical research questions, plus the production of a
short report using variables and hypotheses of a student's own choosing,
probably not.

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Research:   Subjective Social Indicators (Quality of Life)

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Subject: Re: SPSS slow opening

No comment re Mplus.  But I think that many people *are* (no pun intended)
successfully using R for one-semester introductory stats courses.  Several
GUIs for R are available too.  Some of them are listed on this page:

  https://www.linuxlinks.com/guisforr/

I am only a very occasional useR, but I gather that for an introductory
course, R-Commander (by John Fox) is a nice choice.  

  https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/jfox/Misc/Rcmdr/



John F Hall wrote
> Trouble is you can't teach Mplus or R to absolute data analysis
> beginners in 13-week semesters, including assessment.  I'm sticking to
> SPSS 24 and *.sav, *.sps.
>
> John F Hall  MA (Cantab) Dip Ed (Dunelm) [Retired academic survey
> researcher]





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