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David B. Nolle-2
Dear SPSS Gurus,

I am wondering whether any of you have had any problems with SPSS 23.0.0.2
running under the new Windows 10 operating system. Although I have tested
the frequencies procedure of SPSS 23.0.0.2 running under Windows 10, I have
not had time to benchmark the various statistical programs, tabulation
programs, and graphics programs in SPSS 23.0.0.2 to see whether they are
still performing as they should. I am especially concerned with whether
anyone has encountered problems with numerical results because I also use
the Regression module and the Advanced Statistics module.

At this point, I have no idea about whether the technical personnel
supporting IBM SPSS have had an opportunity to check SPSS 23.0.0.2 to verify
the adequacy of its performance under Windows 10. Thus, although I certainly
welcome any responses from technical people at IBM SPSS, I also want to get
any responses from the users who have actually used SPSS 23.0.0.2 running
under the relatively new Windows 10 rather than under Windows 7 or 8.1 which
are currently well-known systems.  

Thank you for your time and interest. I get my SPSS messages in a daily
digest; consequently, I typically have a one-day lag in my ability to
respond to the list.

Best Regards,

David

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Re: Any Problems With SPSS 23.0.0.2 Running under Windows 10???

Andy W
Anecdote - I have this on my laptop - so don't use regularly - have not experienced any obvious problems. This is both with and without the fix pack.

Would the OS affect numerical issues? I know weird stuff can creep in, but I wouldn't expect regression estimates to change (more likely the algorithm was updated from prior versions I would guess.)
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Re: Any Problems With SPSS 23.0.0.2 Running under Windows 10???

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I have been running Win10 as my OS for 6 weeks now and have had no OS-related problems with Statistics 23.0.0.2+, although it has a few post-release tweaks.  These are not related to the OS.

It is very unlikely that there would be any numerical issues.  Win10 is more efficient, so there could be some better use of OS resources, but I have not done any benchmarking.

The one area where hitches might arise is permissions.  Win10 is more locked down than older Windows systems, so access to some areas of the file system or Registry settings might be more restricted and require an admin account or running as Administrator in order to install updates.

And my new McAfee protection insists on my approving Statistics every time I launch it even though I always tell it to always allow.  That is probably not a Win10 isssue.  On my previous system I had different protection software.

From my experience to date, Win10 is better than Win7 and much better than the horrible Win8 or 8.1.  My new system has a touchscreen, and I can actually use Statistics by touch, but mouse and keyboard works a lot better for me.

In contrast Office 365 has some horrible behavior.  It is so protective that just opening a document in Word is fraught with problems.  It is very suspicious of opening documents, and it throws false corruption-style messages frequently.  Taming that is taking me some time.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 7:47 AM, David Nolle <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear SPSS Gurus,

I am wondering whether any of you have had any problems with SPSS 23.0.0.2
running under the new Windows 10 operating system. Although I have tested
the frequencies procedure of SPSS 23.0.0.2 running under Windows 10, I have
not had time to benchmark the various statistical programs, tabulation
programs, and graphics programs in SPSS 23.0.0.2 to see whether they are
still performing as they should. I am especially concerned with whether
anyone has encountered problems with numerical results because I also use
the Regression module and the Advanced Statistics module.

At this point, I have no idea about whether the technical personnel
supporting IBM SPSS have had an opportunity to check SPSS 23.0.0.2 to verify
the adequacy of its performance under Windows 10. Thus, although I certainly
welcome any responses from technical people at IBM SPSS, I also want to get
any responses from the users who have actually used SPSS 23.0.0.2 running
under the relatively new Windows 10 rather than under Windows 7 or 8.1 which
are currently well-known systems.  

Thank you for your time and interest. I get my SPSS messages in a daily
digest; consequently, I typically have a one-day lag in my ability to
respond to the list.

Best Regards,

David

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Re: Any Problems With SPSS 23.0.0.2 Running under Windows 10???

David B. Nolle-2
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Jon Peck and Andy Wheeler,  

Jon and Andy, I want to thank you for your reassuring feedback about your experiences in using SPSS 23 with Windows 10.  

However, I certainly agree with Jon that Windows 10 will probably require special procedures for updates to SPSS. For example, to update Jon's excellent Python Rake procedure within SPSS 23, I not only changed the extension and custom dialog paths to insure that there was a user-writable area but also ran the update as the administrator.  Although I subsequently obtained RAKE outputs which were consistent with the new update (2.9.0), I failed to get  the upgrade from 2.8.1 to 2.9.0 for RAKE registered among the installed programs revealed by the View Installed Extension Bundles menu option. I intend to submit a PMR to IBM to see whether anyone there knows why the internal listing of installed programs in SPSS 23 is not updated even though the Python program itself is indeed updated for use by SPSS 23 on my PC.

At this point, I am puzzled about why no one at IBM SPSS has been willing to provide feedback on their experiences in using SPSS 23 with Windows 10. I know that IBM SPSS people monitor this list.  Although I realize that universities, government agencies, and large businesses need to be very careful in implementing new operating systems, I am guessing that the developers at IBM have controlled environments and multiple operating systems to allow extensive testing of their current and future products.   Given this kind of capability, I am not sure that I view IBM's silence as golden.

David B. Nolle

From: Jon Peck [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 11:02 AM
To: David Nolle <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] Any Problems With SPSS 23.0.0.2 Running under Windows 10???

I have been running Win10 as my OS for 6 weeks now and have had no OS-related problems with Statistics 23.0.0.2+, although it has a few post-release tweaks.  These are not related to the OS.

It is very unlikely that there would be any numerical issues.  Win10 is more efficient, so there could be some better use of OS resources, but I have not done any benchmarking.

The one area where hitches might arise is permissions.  Win10 is more locked down than older Windows systems, so access to some areas of the file system or Registry settings might be more restricted and require an admin account or running as Administrator in order to install updates.

And my new McAfee protection insists on my approving Statistics every time I launch it even though I always tell it to always allow.  That is probably not a Win10 isssue.  On my previous system I had different protection software.

From my experience to date, Win10 is better than Win7 and much better than the horrible Win8 or 8.1.  My new system has a touchscreen, and I can actually use Statistics by touch, but mouse and keyboard works a lot better for me.

In contrast Office 365 has some horrible behavior.  It is so protective that just opening a document in Word is fraught with problems.  It is very suspicious of opening documents, and it throws false corruption-style messages frequently.  Taming that is taking me some time.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 7:47 AM, David Nolle <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear SPSS Gurus,

I am wondering whether any of you have had any problems with SPSS 23.0.0.2
running under the new Windows 10 operating system. Although I have tested
the frequencies procedure of SPSS 23.0.0.2 running under Windows 10, I have
not had time to benchmark the various statistical programs, tabulation
programs, and graphics programs in SPSS 23.0.0.2 to see whether they are
still performing as they should. I am especially concerned with whether
anyone has encountered problems with numerical results because I also use
the Regression module and the Advanced Statistics module.

At this point, I have no idea about whether the technical personnel
supporting IBM SPSS have had an opportunity to check SPSS 23.0.0.2 to verify
the adequacy of its performance under Windows 10. Thus, although I certainly
welcome any responses from technical people at IBM SPSS, I also want to get
any responses from the users who have actually used SPSS 23.0.0.2 running
under the relatively new Windows 10 rather than under Windows 7 or 8.1 which
are currently well-known systems.  

Thank you for your time and interest. I get my SPSS messages in a daily
digest; consequently, I typically have a one-day lag in my ability to
respond to the list.

Best Regards,

David

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Re: Any Problems With SPSS 23.0.0.2 Running under Windows 10???

Jon Peck
The official listing of product requirements for the SPSS products from IBM is here.

As you can see there, Win10 is listed as a supported OS.  In fact, it lists four versions of Win10 as supported.

You can also find a link on the IBM Predictive Analytics Community front page
to the Technical Support resources.

The Support page also includes a link to FixCentral

On FixCentral you can see what fixpacks and hotfixes are available for your specific product and OS.  You can also subscribe to support notices there.  If you look at the more information link for the fixpack or hotfix, you can see a list of the issues addressed in that item.

You can, of course, post questions in the Forums on the Predictive Analytics Community that may elicit responses from users as well as IBM folks.

All this information is based on what I can see from my non-IBM account, since I am no longer an IBM employee.  Some of the links are slow to appear, but there is a lot of information there.






On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:09 AM, David Nolle <[hidden email]> wrote:
Jon Peck and Andy Wheeler,

Jon and Andy, I want to thank you for your reassuring feedback about your experiences in using SPSS 23 with Windows 10.

However, I certainly agree with Jon that Windows 10 will probably require special procedures for updates to SPSS. For example, to update Jon's excellent Python Rake procedure within SPSS 23, I not only changed the extension and custom dialog paths to insure that there was a user-writable area but also ran the update as the administrator.  Although I subsequently obtained RAKE outputs which were consistent with the new update (2.9.0), I failed to get  the upgrade from 2.8.1 to 2.9.0 for RAKE registered among the installed programs revealed by the View Installed Extension Bundles menu option. I intend to submit a PMR to IBM to see whether anyone there knows why the internal listing of installed programs in SPSS 23 is not updated even though the Python program itself is indeed updated for use by SPSS 23 on my PC.

At this point, I am puzzled about why no one at IBM SPSS has been willing to provide feedback on their experiences in using SPSS 23 with Windows 10. I know that IBM SPSS people monitor this list.  Although I realize that universities, government agencies, and large businesses need to be very careful in implementing new operating systems, I am guessing that the developers at IBM have controlled environments and multiple operating systems to allow extensive testing of their current and future products.   Given this kind of capability, I am not sure that I view IBM's silence as golden.

David B. Nolle

From: Jon Peck [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 11:02 AM
To: David Nolle <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] Any Problems With SPSS 23.0.0.2 Running under Windows 10???

I have been running Win10 as my OS for 6 weeks now and have had no OS-related problems with Statistics 23.0.0.2+, although it has a few post-release tweaks.  These are not related to the OS.

It is very unlikely that there would be any numerical issues.  Win10 is more efficient, so there could be some better use of OS resources, but I have not done any benchmarking.

The one area where hitches might arise is permissions.  Win10 is more locked down than older Windows systems, so access to some areas of the file system or Registry settings might be more restricted and require an admin account or running as Administrator in order to install updates.

And my new McAfee protection insists on my approving Statistics every time I launch it even though I always tell it to always allow.  That is probably not a Win10 isssue.  On my previous system I had different protection software.

From my experience to date, Win10 is better than Win7 and much better than the horrible Win8 or 8.1.  My new system has a touchscreen, and I can actually use Statistics by touch, but mouse and keyboard works a lot better for me.

In contrast Office 365 has some horrible behavior.  It is so protective that just opening a document in Word is fraught with problems.  It is very suspicious of opening documents, and it throws false corruption-style messages frequently.  Taming that is taking me some time.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 7:47 AM, David Nolle <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear SPSS Gurus,

I am wondering whether any of you have had any problems with SPSS 23.0.0.2
running under the new Windows 10 operating system. Although I have tested
the frequencies procedure of SPSS 23.0.0.2 running under Windows 10, I have
not had time to benchmark the various statistical programs, tabulation
programs, and graphics programs in SPSS 23.0.0.2 to see whether they are
still performing as they should. I am especially concerned with whether
anyone has encountered problems with numerical results because I also use
the Regression module and the Advanced Statistics module.

At this point, I have no idea about whether the technical personnel
supporting IBM SPSS have had an opportunity to check SPSS 23.0.0.2 to verify
the adequacy of its performance under Windows 10. Thus, although I certainly
welcome any responses from technical people at IBM SPSS, I also want to get
any responses from the users who have actually used SPSS 23.0.0.2 running
under the relatively new Windows 10 rather than under Windows 7 or 8.1 which
are currently well-known systems.

Thank you for your time and interest. I get my SPSS messages in a daily
digest; consequently, I typically have a one-day lag in my ability to
respond to the list.

Best Regards,

David

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Re: Any Problems With SPSS 23.0.0.2 Running under Windows 10???

David B. Nolle-2
Jon, Thank you for calling my attention to these links, especially the first one which clearly indicates that Windows 10 is a supported OS. David N.

From: Jon Peck [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 1:21 PM
To: David Nolle <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: Any Problems With SPSS 23.0.0.2 Running under Windows 10???

The official listing of product requirements for the SPSS products from IBM is here.
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/analytics/spss/products/statistics/requirements.html 

As you can see there, Win10 is listed as a supported OS.  In fact, it lists four versions of Win10 as supported.

You can also find a link on the IBM Predictive Analytics Community front page
https://developer.ibm.com/predictiveanalytics/ 
to the Technical Support resources.
https://developer.ibm.com/predictiveanalytics/get-help/ 

The Support page also includes a link to FixCentral
http://www-933.ibm.com/support/fixcentral/ 

On FixCentral you can see what fixpacks and hotfixes are available for your specific product and OS.  You can also subscribe to support notices there.  If you look at the more information link for the fixpack or hotfix, you can see a list of the issues addressed in that item.

You can, of course, post questions in the Forums on the Predictive Analytics Community that may elicit responses from users as well as IBM folks.

All this information is based on what I can see from my non-IBM account, since I am no longer an IBM employee.  Some of the links are slow to appear, but there is a lot of information there.






On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:09 AM, David Nolle <[hidden email]> wrote:
Jon Peck and Andy Wheeler,

Jon and Andy, I want to thank you for your reassuring feedback about your experiences in using SPSS 23 with Windows 10.

However, I certainly agree with Jon that Windows 10 will probably require special procedures for updates to SPSS. For example, to update Jon's excellent Python Rake procedure within SPSS 23, I not only changed the extension and custom dialog paths to insure that there was a user-writable area but also ran the update as the administrator.  Although I subsequently obtained RAKE outputs which were consistent with the new update (2.9.0), I failed to get  the upgrade from 2.8.1 to 2.9.0 for RAKE registered among the installed programs revealed by the View Installed Extension Bundles menu option. I intend to submit a PMR to IBM to see whether anyone there knows why the internal listing of installed programs in SPSS 23 is not updated even though the Python program itself is indeed updated for use by SPSS 23 on my PC.

At this point, I am puzzled about why no one at IBM SPSS has been willing to provide feedback on their experiences in using SPSS 23 with Windows 10. I know that IBM SPSS people monitor this list.  Although I realize that universities, government agencies, and large businesses need to be very careful in implementing new operating systems, I am guessing that the developers at IBM have controlled environments and multiple operating systems to allow extensive testing of their current and future products.   Given this kind of capability, I am not sure that I view IBM's silence as golden.

David B. Nolle

From: Jon Peck [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 11:02 AM
To: David Nolle <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] Any Problems With SPSS 23.0.0.2 Running under Windows 10???

I have been running Win10 as my OS for 6 weeks now and have had no OS-related problems with Statistics 23.0.0.2+, although it has a few post-release tweaks.  These are not related to the OS.

It is very unlikely that there would be any numerical issues.  Win10 is more efficient, so there could be some better use of OS resources, but I have not done any benchmarking.

The one area where hitches might arise is permissions.  Win10 is more locked down than older Windows systems, so access to some areas of the file system or Registry settings might be more restricted and require an admin account or running as Administrator in order to install updates.

And my new McAfee protection insists on my approving Statistics every time I launch it even though I always tell it to always allow.  That is probably not a Win10 isssue.  On my previous system I had different protection software.

From my experience to date, Win10 is better than Win7 and much better than the horrible Win8 or 8.1.  My new system has a touchscreen, and I can actually use Statistics by touch, but mouse and keyboard works a lot better for me.

In contrast Office 365 has some horrible behavior.  It is so protective that just opening a document in Word is fraught with problems.  It is very suspicious of opening documents, and it throws false corruption-style messages frequently.  Taming that is taking me some time.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 7:47 AM, David Nolle <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear SPSS Gurus,

I am wondering whether any of you have had any problems with SPSS 23.0.0.2
running under the new Windows 10 operating system. Although I have tested
the frequencies procedure of SPSS 23.0.0.2 running under Windows 10, I have
not had time to benchmark the various statistical programs, tabulation
programs, and graphics programs in SPSS 23.0.0.2 to see whether they are
still performing as they should. I am especially concerned with whether
anyone has encountered problems with numerical results because I also use
the Regression module and the Advanced Statistics module.

At this point, I have no idea about whether the technical personnel
supporting IBM SPSS have had an opportunity to check SPSS 23.0.0.2 to verify
the adequacy of its performance under Windows 10. Thus, although I certainly
welcome any responses from technical people at IBM SPSS, I also want to get
any responses from the users who have actually used SPSS 23.0.0.2 running
under the relatively new Windows 10 rather than under Windows 7 or 8.1 which
are currently well-known systems.

Thank you for your time and interest. I get my SPSS messages in a daily
digest; consequently, I typically have a one-day lag in my ability to
respond to the list.

Best Regards,

David

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Re: Any Problems With SPSS 23.0.0.2 Running under Windows 10???

parisec
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I'm running 21.0 and i'm getting upgraded to Windows 10 August or so of this year. I looked up the compatibility report for 21.0 and the highest Widows OS included is Windows 7. Anyone know if 21 is going to crash and burn with the upgrade?

Thanks
Carol
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John F Hall
Carol
Jon Peck says 10 is OK, but unless you're an addict icon-clicker, 10
will drive you mad.  I tried it when it was on free offer and it drove
me mad.  I'm sticking to Windows 7 Pro.
John F Hall (Mr)
[Retired academic survey researcher]
IBM-SPSS Academic author 9900074
SPSS 24, Windows 7 Pro

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Website: www.surveyresearch.weebly.com  
SPSS start page:
www.surveyresearch.weebly.com/1-survey-analysis-workshop


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I'm running 21.0 and i'm getting upgraded to Windows 10 August or so
of this year. I looked up the compatibility report for 21.0 and the
highest Widows OS included is Windows 7. Anyone know if 21 is going to
crash and burn with the upgrade?

Thanks
Carol



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parisec
Thanks John...Sadly, i don't have a choice on the upgrade. Our I.T. is implementing it. If i had my choice, i'd probably still be running XP.

They want to know if i can switch to another piece of software that the rest of the organization is using. They seem to think SPSS is like a word processing program and switching programs is wouldn't be a big deal.

I told them i'd find out if v21 would work with Windows 10 and if not, what version do i need. It looks like i'd be safe with v23 but i'm still working on trying to find out if v21 would work.
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Jon Peck
IMO, Windows 10 is an excellent os.  I have been using it for 16 months.  It is a nice recovery from the Win 8 disaster.  I have Statistics 23 and 24 (with fixpacks) on it, and both work fine.  I expect 21 would have some glitches but can't say for sure, especially in places where Windows security has been tightened.

Win 10 does have some provisions for running older software (compatibility mode). These might help if 21 gets cranky.


On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:22 PM parisec <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks John...Sadly, i don't have a choice on the upgrade. Our I.T. is

implementing it. If i had my choice, i'd probably still be running XP.



They want to know if i can switch to another piece of software that the rest

of the organization is using. They seem to think SPSS is like a word

processing program and switching programs is wouldn't be a big deal.



I told them i'd find out if v21 would work with Windows 10 and if not, what

version do i need. It looks like i'd be safe with v23 but i'm still working

on trying to find out if v21 would work.







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parisec
Thanks Jon

What is the reason for both 23 and 24?
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Jon Peck
I have both for testing and development purposes.
On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:49 AM parisec <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks Jon

What is the reason for both 23 and 24?



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